Buying Advice Diesel smog emission stuff?

[Texasmark]

My starter motor on my large frame Kubota's make more power than those tiny tractors do at the flywheel and I don't consider a hydrostat to be cutting edge technology either. In my application (farming) a hydro is the worst choice you can make because of the parasitic power loss. International tried that decades ago and had little success except with planting tractors. Tractive power to the ground is everything and a gear drive excells at that and most are many speed gearboxes and or power shift so gear changes are effortless and synchronized as well. Both of mine are 18 x 18, 18 forward and 18 in reverse and little parasitic power loss. CVT's are gaining in popularity today but tractor CVT don't have belts in them, they use a metal link chain to drive the gearbox and a computer to effect range changes.

You are right about the category you selected. But in a different category, this old school boy traded in his gear drive for a Hydro for the convenience. Purpose was to do odd jobs around the farm with maximum convenience. I have 5 others to do things like you mention and they are sticks.

They all aren't listed because I can't figure out how to update my personal data.

 

[5030]

No clutch, both are hydraulic shuttle. Only way to fly actually.

 

[sararook]

Just don't get caught. I know people say that won't happen but under this failing but still promoting new 'Green energy deal' anything is possible. Just look at the IRS and what this administration did, hiring thousands more IRS agents and then arming them for what? What is enforcement of you paying your 'fair' share according to this administration. Same deal could go down with the EPA and don't assume it won't if this current tack continues. Just be careful who and what you vote for and make dam sure you DO VOTE.

Keep in mind that if you 'delete' it, you will still require the 'deletion' parts and if you cannot precure them, you are still 'up the creek without a paddle' so you might as well hang on to and keep in good repair, your pre 4 unit and you can still buy repair parts, both OEM and aftermarket for them. Think about the big picture before you post something.

Don't think for a second that there aren't Federal Government agents on this site reading along because there are. Consequently, be very careful what you post because you don't have any idea who is reading along.

We presently live in the 'spy versus spy' era.

I've really 'sanitized' my comments on this and other forums, especially firearm related forums I frequent just because of the people who are reading along that may or not be government employees, here for the sole purpose of reading and reporting (in you or others).

I've already obtained the needed parts for a delete on a kubota. They're easily obtained from Asian countries with web sites that support their products. I'm mechanically inclined and it's a no brainer to delete these tractors. I'm not worried about being caught. They don't have the time or the personal to chase down grandma out in a field tending her farm on a deleted Kubota. Hell if they throw me in jail probably be doing me a favor! I certainly can't pay their fines! I'm not concerned and have most of my diesel equipment deleted. It provides much more reliable equipment and lower fuel and maintenance costs. Good luck!

 

[Williy]

Buying a tractor is kinda like asking about a pickup/car you will
get all kinds of answers about which is the best however you can
get a LEMON in any brand.

willy

 

[ingvey]

The 24 hp is the way to go.. once you start using it you just might wish you purchased more horse power

Mahindra is the largest Tractor MFG in the world (not the USA) but they designed around having the regen issues that many have. The exhaust is run through a small catalytic that is easy to get to. I bought my tractor after comparing many specs like total weight (yes a tractor should be heavy ie.more metal) lift ratings, a 4 cyl engine that makes 38hp rather than everyone else 3 cyl. made by Mitsubishi.

 

[5030]

You are right about the category you selected. But in a different category, this old school boy traded in his gear drive for a Hydro for the convenience. Purpose was to do odd jobs around the farm with maximum convenience. I have 5 others to do things like you mention and they are sticks.

They all aren't listed because I can't figure out how to update my personal data.

The issue with the new website format is, nothing is listed any more. and I don't much care for the format either. Anyone using the ZenForo format is now running this same deal and they all suck, big time.

I'm about done posting on this site. I took a 5 year vacation a couple years ago (from here), I'm about to do the same again.

 

[tacticalturnip]

Things look good here, on a desktop.

 

[5030]

Things look good here, on a desktop.

What I always use. Still screwed up IMO.

 

[arto98607]

The DPF emissions gadgetry will fail and cause you to need to spend money to make it better or make it gone. Even if you operate the unit in accordance with recommendations - high rpm, hot, etc, - it will fail. Eventually. If you operate your unit as a UTILITY tractor, doing little chores here and there, that failure is likely happen sooner than later. If you operate your unit as a production tractor, working at close to rated max load for hours at a time, that failure may not happen as soon.

A turbocharger is not to be feared. DPF and catalytic converter WILL cause you $$$-hurt. Avoid if you can.

Unfortunately you are right, it happened in my VW Jetta Diesel at 120,000 miles (Crack in the outside shell).


My next door neighbor has a very nice looking few years old John Deere 2038R which was five days ago hauled to a dealership, due to what has developed into a continuous regeneration of DPF.

He had previously complained about way too frequent regeneration's during annual dealership services, but they just told him to run it at higher Rpm and it will be fine.

Well that did not solve the issue.

The tractor is now close to end of it's warranty ending and the neighbor is very worried....

Sad

 

[2manyrocks]

This isn't the first time mandated emissions requirements have made things much worse for owners.


Back in the 1970s, my employer had a nice Ford with a 400 cubic inch motor that was one of the sorriest running engines I can recall driving despite the large displacement. They hadn't yet figured out how to build an emissions system that didn't rob an engine of performance. MPG wasn't great, either.

 

[arto98607]

I had what as far as I recall was an 81 or 82 F250 with 400 ci engine and it was a great truck & engine.
Lots of torque when going up steep hills with a slide-in camper in the bed.

Must have taken Ford few years to figure it out.

It burned all the gas I put into tank...

 

[2manyrocks]

If they had mandated car emissions systems that required a burn off or would put the car into limp mode that could only be reset by a dealer, there would have been a heck of a lot of backlash.

 

[finn1]

This isn't the first time mandated emissions requirements have made things much worse for owners.


Back in the 1970s, my employer had a nice Ford with a 400 cubic inch motor that was one of the sorriest running engines I can recall driving despite the large displacement. They hadn't yet figured out how to build an emissions system that didn't rob an engine of performance. MPG wasn't great, either.

But they figured it out, didn’t they? That old 6.6l engine put out around 146 hp ( from memory) had open chamber heads and severely retarded cam timing, low compression, and a carburetor, but still put out probably five times the emissions the modern 6.2 l engine does. The 6.2 has efi, higher compression, gets two and a half times the mileage, three way catalysts, and electronic controls with feedback.You could probably ***** about the Model T being primitive, or air travel being impractical based on the Wright Brothers Kitty Hawk flight, too.

 

[finn1]

If they had mandated car emissions systems that required a burn off or would put the car into limp mode that could only be reset by a dealer, there would have been a heck of a lot of backlash.

All modern diesel cars have limp home mode, DPF regeneration, and SCR after treatment.

So do light and heavy duty Diesel trucks. So does construction equipment of any size.

So what’s the point?

 

[LouNY]

All modern diesel cars have limp home mode, DPF regeneration, and SCR after treatment.

So do light and heavy duty Diesel trucks. So does construction equipment of any size.

So what’s the point?

And it sucks pretty pure and simple.

 

[jrsavoie]

And it sucks pretty pure and simple.

Not to mention the costs added to a new purchase and all the ensuing issues related strictly to the emissions systems.

I don't know anybody that runs diesel equipment that has not had a problem.

 

[Bavarian]

Don't buy 39 hp if you use only 24 of them. That's when you run into trouble with the aftertreatment. No matter which brand.
Keeping the Rpms above a certain point might help but it doesn't put any load on the engine to keep the systems happy.

 

[Rmart30]

Speaking as a 30 + year heavy/construction equipment mechanic.

When tier 4 came into full effect in 2014 I bit the bullet and bought a 2013 to avoid the added emissions equipment if that tells you anything.
Our time as techs in the last 8 years has went to probably half of our repair work is emission system related issues. What brand, or type of emission system used (DOC, EGR etc) all have issues.
Ive seen $250,000+ machines with less than 1000 hours on them be down for months for emission system issues, parts back ordered etc. Ive seen customer with machines less than 5 years old have shop bills of $10,000-20k due to emission equipment issues.
I personally have worked on brand new units with less than 5 hours on them with complete emissions system failures. All of this thru no fault of the user. The downtime and added expense of these systems is something I will never have.

One of the guys I do tractor work for owns a 5065 Deere thats about 3 years old. I run it when I work at his place. I will guarantee you it uses more than double the fuel than my 1976 265 Massey does. Id also bet that in 40 years that massey will still be going and that Deere wont be. Most manufacturers dont keep a endless supply of parts. iirc the dealer said 12-15 yrs of age and they stop producing replacement wiring harnesses for them. I could show a 8 yr old to completely rewire that Massey. Most adults couldnt rewire that new Deere. All it takes is one mouse or rat and that Deere becomes a boat anchor.
When I went to add a bigger tractor to my collection I searched and paid a premium price to find a pre emissions model unit in good shape. I could have gotten a 10 year newer model with emissions for about the same cost but i decided to go with the old school less to go wrong model.

 

[jrsavoie]

Speaking as a 30 + year heavy/construction equipment mechanic.

When tier 4 came into full effect in 2014 I bit the bullet and bought a 2013 to avoid the added emissions equipment if that tells you anything.
Our time as techs in the last 8 years has went to probably half of our repair work is emission system related issues. What brand, or type of emission system used (DOC, EGR etc) all have issues.
Ive seen $250,000+ machines with less than 1000 hours on them be down for months for emission system issues, parts back ordered etc. Ive seen customer with machines less than 5 years old have shop bills of $10,000-20k due to emission equipment issues.
I personally have worked on brand new units with less than 5 hours on them with complete emissions system failures. All of this thru no fault of the user. The downtime and added expense of these systems is something I will never have.

One of the guys I do tractor work for owns a 5065 Deere thats about 3 years old. I run it when I work at his place. I will guarantee you it uses more than double the fuel than my 1976 265 Massey does. Id also bet that in 40 years that massey will still be going and that Deere wont be. Most manufacturers dont keep a endless supply of parts. iirc the dealer said 12-15 yrs of age and they stop producing replacement wiring harnesses for them. I could show a 8 yr old to completely rewire that Massey. Most adults couldnt rewire that new Deere. All it takes is one mouse or rat and that Deere becomes a boat anchor.
When I went to add a bigger tractor to my collection I searched and paid a premium price to find a pre emissions model unit in good shape. I could have gotten a 10 year newer model with emissions for about the same cost but i decided to go with the old school less to go wrong model.

Speaking as a 30 + year heavy/construction equipment mechanic.

When tier 4 came into full effect in 2014 I bit the bullet and bought a 2013 to avoid the added emissions equipment if that tells you anything.
Our time as techs in the last 8 years has went to probably half of our repair work is emission system related issues. What brand, or type of emission system used (DOC, EGR etc) all have issues.
Ive seen $250,000+ machines with less than 1000 hours on them be down for months for emission system issues, parts back ordered etc. Ive seen customer with machines less than 5 years old have shop bills of $10,000-20k due to emission equipment issues.
I personally have worked on brand new units with less than 5 hours on them with complete emissions system failures. All of this thru no fault of the user. The downtime and added expense of these systems is something I will never have.

One of the guys I do tractor work for owns a 5065 Deere thats about 3 years old. I run it when I work at his place. I will guarantee you it uses more than double the fuel than my 1976 265 Massey does. Id also bet that in 40 years that massey will still be going and that Deere wont be. Most manufacturers dont keep a endless supply of parts. iirc the dealer said 12-15 yrs of age and they stop producing replacement wiring harnesses for them. I could show a 8 yr old to completely rewire that Massey. Most adults couldnt rewire that new Deere. All it takes is one mouse or rat and that Deere becomes a boat anchor.
When I went to add a bigger tractor to my collection I searched and paid a premium price to find a pre emissions model unit in good shape. I could have gotten a 10 year newer model with emissions for about the same cost but i decided to go with the old school less to go wrong model.

Friends have also had a lot of issues with electronic controls. Especially a JCB that's a few years old owned by a local township. They've had a bunch of problems with emissions and controls. It's has a lot of downtime. No loaner to be had.
Neighbor has a Bobcat skid loader that the bucket would just randomly drop.
It was like that for many months, finally he told them to give him a new machine or reimburse him.