diesel prices

[Don87]

Exactly!:mur:

Cool.........I just read your tag line.

"A costitutional republic will only stand until the people realize they can vote themselves money" Benjamin Franklin


“Once the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the Republic.” – Benjamin Franklin from the mind of…..sanity optional


So many just don't understand the ramifications of what is happening.

 

[Loren49]

My understanding is that the policy is to make us pay the full cost, not an artificially low cost so that we don't waste and so that alternative development is encouraged. A sustainable strategy not relying on short term gratification. The world market drives the price and taxing level is the main thing under government control. Remember we have less than 2% of the earths proven oil reserves in the US.


Bad tax policy

Policy analysts, as opposed to policy makers, have long recommended a higher gasoline tax or a broader tax on carbon to encourage increased energy supplies of all kinds and energy conservation, while filling the U.S. Treasury instead of the treasuries of Venezuela strong man Hugo Chavez, Saudi royalty and other dictators.

The 18.4-cents-per-gallon gas tax was last raised during the Clinton presidency, Borenstein said, and has fallen sharply when adjusted for inflation.

"We're collecting more revenue through taxing work through income taxes, and less through taxing things like gasoline," Borenstein said. "So we are discouraging work and encouraging gasoline consumption, which is not good tax policy."
Read more: Spike in gas prices ignites election-year furor

Loren

 

[charleyfarmall]

There is another part to this. It's also an attempt to change the culture in the US to align it with europe. It's a back door approach to implementing Agenda 21 after the US congress refused to ratify it (Search UN - Agenda 21 or go to the UN's website).

Have you heard the radio ads from the Ad Council about "I think I'll walk to work today" talking about how much better it is to live in a community where you don't use a car. A place where you work and live in the same place.

These planned communities are starting to be implemented all over. The goal is to shift the population in closer to urban an suburban locations and depopulate the country side to cut fuel expenses and preserve natural resources ( including farm and forest land).

A lot of people like it. I don't but I'm a country boy and that's where I will live an die.

 

[Don87]

My understanding is that the policy is to make us pay the full cost, not an artificially low cost so that we don't waste and so that alternative development is encouraged. A sustainable strategy not relying on short term gratification. The world market drives the price and taxing level is the main thing under government control. Remember we have less than 2% of the earths proven oil reserves in the US.


Bad tax policy

Policy analysts, as opposed to policy makers, have long recommended a higher gasoline tax or a broader tax on carbon to encourage increased energy supplies of all kinds and energy conservation, while filling the U.S. Treasury instead of the treasuries of Venezuela strong man Hugo Chavez, Saudi royalty and other dictators.

The 18.4-cents-per-gallon gas tax was last raised during the Clinton presidency, Borenstein said, and has fallen sharply when adjusted for inflation.

"We're collecting more revenue through taxing work through income taxes, and less through taxing things like gasoline," Borenstein said. "So we are discouraging work and encouraging gasoline consumption, which is not good tax policy."
Read more: Spike in gas prices ignites election-year furor

Loren

Theres where the problems start. With a totally fictitious non-problem, turned into a problem by environmental activists and people wanting to 'make a buck' from carbon credits and such.

Not to mention the fact that our founding fathers envision a small government with limited powers. Our economy is fueled by the private sector, by creating a goods or service that is needed, then selling that product for a profit .

The government takes what we earn through taxation and produces nothing.

Heres an example on the tax increases coming our way that most aren't aware of:

Potential Federal Tax Increases Loom

The people have learned that they can vote themselves money, refer to Ben Franklin for the outcome.

P.S. Loren, you don't have to dig too deep to see the ramifications of the policies you are embracing........just look across the big pond to the east.

 

[Charolais]

Theres where the problems start. With a totally fictitious non-problem, turned into a problem by environmental activists and people wanting to 'make a buck' from carbon credits and such.

Not to mention the fact that our founding fathers envision a small government with limited powers. Our economy is fueled by the private sector, by creating a goods or service that is needed, then selling that product for a profit .

The government takes what we earn through taxation and produces nothing.

Heres an example on the tax increases coming our way that most aren't aware of:

Potential Federal Tax Increases Loom

The people have learned that they can vote themselves money, refer to Ben Franklin for the outcome.

P.S. Loren, you don't have to dig too deep to see the ramifications of the policies you are embracing........just look across the big pond to the east.

Since part of the fuel price problem is speculation do you think regulations that were removed should be put back in place? Do you think the president should put a price cap on fuel like was done in the 70's by Nixon?

 

[Don87]

]Since part of the fuel price problem is speculation [/B]do you think regulations that were removed should be put back in place? Do you think the president should put a price cap on fuel like was done in the 70's by Nixon?

I'm saying that the 'speculation' problem you are seeing right now is being caused by this administration. All ya gotta do is listen to what Energy Secretary Stephen Chu said:




Energy Secretary Chu Says Lower Gas Prices Are Not Obama's Goal - Investors.com

 

[Charolais]

I'm saying that the 'speculation' problem you are seeing right now is being caused by this administration. All ya gotta do is listen to what Energy Secretary Stephen Chu said:




Energy Secretary Chu Says Lower Gas Prices Are Not Obama's Goal - Investors.com

What was it caused by in 2007? This hasn't just started. This isn't our first ride to high fuel prices. I was paying 72 cent a gallon in late 1999 for off road diesel.

Just read the other day that China last year bought 2.5 million GM cars. That was up 8% from the prior year. Hey they ain't pushing carts anymore. You think that might have something to do with it too?

 

[5030]

I love this thread and all the whining.

People in this country are accustomed to low fuel prices. In Europe it's been much higher for a long time now.... Be thankful.

Maybe it's time to quit romancing those big Hemi engines, gas guzzling cars and even those 'tractors' you don't really need because you want to be 'one up' on your neighbor when, in fact, a snowshovel or a push mower would actually do just fine and maybe cause you to get off the couch and loose some weight.....

I see it going to 5 bucks a gallon for regular and possibly 5.25 for diesel. Imagine filling up that Hemi pickup, the one you impress your friends with, with the dual exhaust, big tires and lift kit.....that you don't need but you have to have because it's all about being 'macho'...for a hundred bucks or more, because it's going to happen and soon....

Our company paid over 10 million last year in diesel fuel costs to run 100 trucks but we offset that cost with a fuel surcharge on the materials we hauled, that surcharge being passed right back to our customers and those customers passing it on to you.

I have one of those 'big' pickup trucks too. Difference is, I use mine only when necessary to haul something, not to impress the next door neighbor or boost my testosterone level. My normal ride gets 30 mpg, a small car and it's 4wd. Go figure....

As a consumer you have little or no control over fuel prices other than to use less, in other words, be more efficient in your usage, something thats alien to most in this country......

Keep whining, I'm loving it.................

 

[Don87]

I'm only posting to inform people as to what is going on.........most don't have a clue what's in store for them.

I'm just a truck driver, trying to make a living. But that is becoming increasingly more difficult because this administration is bound and determined to oversee the downfall of our country.

Read Obama's book, listen to his words, watch his actions. Then you too will understand.

If you want to wrap your head around something really scary, look to Ruth Bader Gindsberg "I would not look to the U.S. Constitution, if I were drafting a constitution in the year 2012"


https://mikesright.wordpress.com/20...burg-wouldnt-use-u-s-constitution-as-a-model/

 

[Don87]

I love this thread and all the whining.

People in this country are accustomed to low fuel prices. In Europe it's been much higher for a long time now.... Be thankful.

Maybe it's time to quit romancing those big Hemi engines, gas guzzling cars and even those 'tractors' you don't really need because you want to be 'one up' on your neighbor when, in fact, a snowshovel or a push mower would actually do just fine and maybe cause you to get off the couch and loose some weight.....

I see it going to 5 bucks a gallon for regular and possibly 5.25 for diesel. Imagine filling up that Hemi pickup, the one you impress your friends with, with the dual exhaust, big tires and lift kit.....that you don't need but you have to have because it's all about being 'macho'...for a hundred bucks or more, because it's going to happen and soon....

Our company paid over 10 million last year in diesel fuel costs to run 100 trucks but we offset that cost with a fuel surcharge on the materials we hauled, that surcharge being passed right back to our customers and those customers passing it on to you.

I have one of those 'big' pickup trucks too. Difference is, I use mine only when necessary to haul something, not to impress the next door neighbor or boost my testosterone level. My normal ride gets 30 mpg, a small car and it's 4wd. Go figure....

As a consumer you have little or no control over fuel prices other than to use less, in other words, be more efficient in your usage, something thats alien to most in this country......

Keep whining, I'm loving it.................

Those that can't see the forest, for the trees, will have opinions such as you posted.

 

[5030]

I'm only posting to inform people as to what is going on.........most don't have a clue what's in store for them.

I'm just a truck driver, trying to make a living. But that is becoming increasingly more difficult because this administration is bound and determined to oversee the downfall of our country.

Read Obama's book, listen to his words, watch his actions. Then you too will understand.

If you want to wrap your head around something really scary, look to Ruth Bader Gindsberg "I would not look to the U.S. Constitution, if I were drafting a constitution in the year 2012"


https://mikesright.wordpress.com/20...burg-wouldnt-use-u-s-constitution-as-a-model/

I owned 4 at one time. Glad I don't now. I work in safety and compliance for a private carrier. The day of the OO is gone.

So tell us, do we replace Obama with an Obama wannabe like Rummy or Sanitation? or are the American people so dumbed down by the media and the hype that they assume a new/old face in the Oval Office will change anything? It won't.

There is only 1 candidate in the lot that is actually viable and he's half nuts or it appears...... Maybe it takes a nut. Not sure. I do know the media will insure that he never gets to the Oval Office.....

People are so gullible.

 

[5030]

Those that can't see the forest, for the trees, will have opinions such as you posted.

I have a very good perspective of what is about to occur, not that I can change it, because I can't and neither can you.... Other than non contributory whining........:laughing:

It is what it is. Keep that in mind when you drive that big pickup with the big fuel tank.... and the big payment book (almost forgot that........:laughing

Europeans have been driving small cars for years now and mowing lawns with push mowers and shoveling snow with snow shovels... it's amazing isn't it?

Could it be that they actually know something we capitalisis don't?

 

[Don87]

I owned 4 at one time. Glad I don't now. I work in safety and compliance for a private carrier. The day of the OO is gone.

So tell us, do we replace Obama with an Obama wannabe like Rummy or Sanitation? or are the American people so dumbed down by the media and the hype that they assume a new/old face in the Oval Office will change anything? It won't.

There is only 1 candidate in the lot that is actually viable and he's half nuts or it appears...... Maybe it takes a nut. Not sure. I do know the media will insure that he never gets to the Oval Office.....

People are so gullible.

Goerge Soros says there is no difference between Romney and Obama. I can't say I've heard anyone but you claim that Santorum is like Obama.

And Ron Paul is working with Romney just in case you didn't know.

 

[Don87]

I have a very good perspective of what is about to occur, not that I can change it, because I can't and neither can you.... Other than non contributory whining........:laughing:

It is what it is. Keep that in mind when you drive that big pickup with the big fuel tank.... and the big payment book (almost forgot that........:laughing

Europeans have been driving small cars for years now and mowing lawns with push mowers and shoveling snow with snow shovels... it's amazing isn't it?

Could it be that they actually know something we capitalisis don't?

Can't see the forest, for the trees. Your posts do reflect that.


Charleyfarmall had a pretty good post earlier.

 

[jake98]

The problem isn't the oil prices, it's the government skimming off a bigger % of our wealth every year. It's like a big fat guy sitting on the bow of a boat, and we're heading for some waves.

 

[Charolais]

I love this thread and all the whining.

People in this country are accustomed to low fuel prices. In Europe it's been much higher for a long time now.... Be thankful.

Maybe it's time to quit romancing those big Hemi engines, gas guzzling cars and even those 'tractors' you don't really need because you want to be 'one up' on your neighbor when, in fact, a snowshovel or a push mower would actually do just fine and maybe cause you to get off the couch and loose some weight.....

I see it going to 5 bucks a gallon for regular and possibly 5.25 for diesel. Imagine filling up that Hemi pickup, the one you impress your friends with, with the dual exhaust, big tires and lift kit.....that you don't need but you have to have because it's all about being 'macho'...for a hundred bucks or more, because it's going to happen and soon....

Our company paid over 10 million last year in diesel fuel costs to run 100 trucks but we offset that cost with a fuel surcharge on the materials we hauled, that surcharge being passed right back to our customers and those customers passing it on to you.

I have one of those 'big' pickup trucks too. Difference is, I use mine only when necessary to haul something, not to impress the next door neighbor or boost my testosterone level. My normal ride gets 30 mpg, a small car and it's 4wd. Go figure....

As a consumer you have little or no control over fuel prices other than to use less, in other words, be more efficient in your usage, something thats alien to most in this country......

Keep whining, I'm loving it.................

I'm old enough to remember when folks that owned pickup trucks were farmers and that was still the normal here in the early 70's. It was very rare to see a 4 wheel drive truck in my area and we had regular snows in the winter back then. Well I'm still working and work with folks that drive 30+ miles one way to the job in full size 4 wheel drive pickups with lift kits and larger than normal tires. May get a light snow 2 times per winter now and droughts most summers and no mud to be found. I still farm and drive my 1999 nissan 2 wd 4 cylinder to work and use it on the farm too. Not much farming here anymore so there's more 4 wd trucks in towns and cities than out in the country here.

All sorts of blame going around now. I like one I heard at my workplace from a guy that still hunts with dogs and uses pickup trucks and radios to hunt. They even have tracking devices to keep up with the dogs. This guy pays child support for one kid, has 5 more at home, feeds 16 deer hounds year round and hunts like it's a job. Well with fuel increases he had a problem paying for LP gas bill to heat his home. Never heard such fussing and cussing about fuel prices. Well to get him out of a jam his Daddy gave him a wood stove to help heat his home. He's still feeding all those dogs and everything else is the same. Never made one cut back for the love of hunting and hunting in the most expensive way. And like many others it's all Obama's fault. People resist change and they put up a heck of a fight and live in misery going in to change but they will change fighting and kicking all the way.

I remember while President Bush was in office folks blamed him for high fuel prices. He was well defended with folks saying a president has no control over fuel prices and " it's still cheaper than a gallon of milk". Now many of those same folks that shouted that defense are saying it's the presidents fault now.

Personally I've made changes to try and keep up with change. I've gone from using 400 gallons of LP gas a year to using none. I've brought my avg. power bill down from $175 per month to $122.

Folks there's a big ball rolling. Step to the side as you adjust or get run over while you kick and scream. You will change or you won't keep up. It's that simple.

 

[Baby Grand]

I'm old enough to remember when folks that owned pickup trucks were farmers and that was still the normal here in the early 70's. It was very rare to see a 4 wheel drive truck in my area and we had regular snows in the winter back then. Well I'm still working and work with folks that drive 30+ miles one way to the job in full size 4 wheel drive pickups with lift kits and larger than normal tires. May get a light snow 2 times per winter now and droughts most summers and no mud to be found. I still farm and drive my 1999 nissan 2 wd 4 cylinder to work and use it on the farm too. Not much farming here anymore so there's more 4 wd trucks in towns and cities than out in the country here.

All sorts of blame going around now. I like one I heard at my workplace from a guy that still hunts with dogs and uses pickup trucks and radios to hunt. They even have tracking devices to keep up with the dogs. This guy pays child support for one kid, has 5 more at home, feeds 16 deer hounds year round and hunts like it's a job. Well with fuel increases he had a problem paying for LP gas bill to heat his home. Never heard such fussing and cussing about fuel prices. Well to get him out of a jam his Daddy gave him a wood stove to help heat his home. He's still feeding all those dogs and everything else is the same. Never made one cut back for the love of hunting and hunting in the most expensive way. And like many others it's all Obama's fault. People resist change and they put up a heck of a fight and live in misery going in to change but they will change fighting and kicking all the way.

I remember while President Bush was in office folks blamed him for high fuel prices. He was well defended with folks saying a president has no control over fuel prices and " it's still cheaper than a gallon of milk". Now many of those same folks that shouted that defense are saying it's the presidents fault now.

Personally I've made changes to try and keep up with change. I've gone from using 400 gallons of LP gas a year to using none. I've brought my avg. power bill down from $175 per month to $122.

Folks there's a big ball rolling. Step to the side as you adjust or get run over while you kick and scream. You will change or you won't keep up. It's that simple.

Hit the nail on the head. Structural change is coming. Obama's just the latest paint job on a boat that's got a leaky, creaking hull. Stop repainting the *%$@%%^^&$ boat, and get to work fixing the hull. It's not a one man job. Everyone (99%) is going to lose something just to stay afloat.

 

[Don87]

I'm old enough to remember when folks that owned pickup trucks were farmers and that was still the normal here in the early 70's. It was very rare to see a 4 wheel drive truck in my area and we had regular snows in the winter back then. Well I'm still working and work with folks that drive 30+ miles one way to the job in full size 4 wheel drive pickups with lift kits and larger than normal tires. May get a light snow 2 times per winter now and droughts most summers and no mud to be found. I still farm and drive my 1999 nissan 2 wd 4 cylinder to work and use it on the farm too. Not much farming here anymore so there's more 4 wd trucks in towns and cities than out in the country here.

All sorts of blame going around now. I like one I heard at my workplace from a guy that still hunts with dogs and uses pickup trucks and radios to hunt. They even have tracking devices to keep up with the dogs. This guy pays child support for one kid, has 5 more at home, feeds 16 deer hounds year round and hunts like it's a job. Well with fuel increases he had a problem paying for LP gas bill to heat his home. Never heard such fussing and cussing about fuel prices. Well to get him out of a jam his Daddy gave him a wood stove to help heat his home. He's still feeding all those dogs and everything else is the same. Never made one cut back for the love of hunting and hunting in the most expensive way. And like many others it's all Obama's fault. People resist change and they put up a heck of a fight and live in misery going in to change but they will change fighting and kicking all the way.

I remember while President Bush was in office folks blamed him for high fuel prices. He was well defended with folks saying a president has no control over fuel prices and " it's still cheaper than a gallon of milk". Now many of those same folks that shouted that defense are saying it's the presidents fault now.

Personally I've made changes to try and keep up with change. I've gone from using 400 gallons of LP gas a year to using none. I've brought my avg. power bill down from $175 per month to $122.

Folks there's a big ball rolling. Step to the side as you adjust or get run over while you kick and scream. You will change or you won't keep up. It's that simple.

I have to take issue with this, because you can't change history, just because you want to. Care to tell us how many investigations there were over high fuel prices back then?

Every news outlet was bashing Bush everday over the fuel prices.

Now what is on the news daily...........high prices are keeping cars off the road, and saving lives. I believe it was ABC that ran that story.

 

[Don87]

Hit the nail on the head. Structural change is coming. Obama's just the latest paint job on a boat that's got a leaky, creaking hull. Stop repainting the *%$@%%^^&$ boat, and get to work fixing the hull. It's not a one man job. Everyone (99%) is going to lose something just to stay afloat.

Yep, charleyfarmall delved into it slightly with his post earlier.

One thing I can promise ya all, ya ain't gonna like the change you get. Check some of the links I posted earlier.

 

[Charolais]

I have to take issue with this, because you can't change history, just because you want to. Care to tell us how many investigations there were over high fuel prices back then?

Every news outlet was bashing Bush everday over the fuel prices.

Now what is on the news daily...........high prices are keeping cars off the road, and saving lives. I believe it was ABC that ran that story.

I remember several times that gas station owners were charged and convicted of price gouging in my area and NC.. And I'll take issue with you on the meeting our VP back then had with the 6 oil executives that has been kept hidden from the public by executive privilege. In the days following that meeting is when fuel prices took off like a rocket. I think what happened in that meeting would answer a lot of questions.

You want lower fuel prices then break those 6 top oil companies up in to 50-60 companies and you'll have competition again in oil and gas. Until that happens nothing will change except it'll get higher. It's called price fixing and as of 2003 it's legal.

I know what's going on and what to expect for the most part. I lived in the 50's and on. We didn't waste back then because we didn't have money to waste. We raised what we needed. We didn't go to town every week or every month. We went to town 2 times a year. I never ate in a restaurant till I was 18 years old. I'd never seen or used a commode till I was in the 4th grade. Yes we had running water at school but the johnny house was in the woods. Keep the path shoveled out in the winter for when you had to go. I wore clothes with patches on them to school. I had my first slice of store bought bread in 1958.

So to add to your fear let me mention food. You think fuel is a problem? All those folks that were third world countries have money now. And BTW food is on the world market now too. Won't be long you'll be on here blaming someone for the high price of food. Iran just bought a large shipment of wheat from us. Yes the USA just sold wheat to Iran. Everything we have is for sale to the highest bidder. How much are you willing to pay? Or should you start preparing? You might want to buy some steaks while they're still cheap. After ethanol was mandated beef inventories in the US fell to 1952 levels. So soon you can cry your way to the grocery store about what it cost in fuel to get there and cry your way back home about what you just spent for that food. You might want to take some of the time you use on those links and use it running a garden tiller and get ready for canning season. The links you post may be right or may not be right. What I just told you is already here. Dig in man. When something worries me I do something about it.