Diesel fuel information

/ Diesel fuel information #2  
I am not sure you can find anything except the USLD I just use the diesel from the truck stop nearby. The thing with diesel is the fresher the better I do use an additive although I am not 100% sure that is necessary. Any diesel you buy from a truck stop will be fresh and have the necessary anti gel agents in it. I would not use #1 because I think it is for only certain applications. The off road diesel would be good if it came from a place that sells enough so that you would not be getting some that had sat around for months.
 
/ Diesel fuel information #3  
Additive/or/not will start a big debate. I have a 300 gal tank and put a gallon of Power Service and a biocide in it every time it gets filled. So far I have not had any fuel related trouble. As far as the raging debate, none of us know how good or bad out fuel is stored/handled before it gets to us. A quality additive can negate many ugly things going on in diesel and it's cheap in the overall scheme of things to prevent a problem.
 
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Additive/or/not will start a big debate. I have a 300 gal tank and put a gallon of Power Service and a biocide in it every time it gets filled. So far I have not had any fuel related trouble. As far as the raging debate, none of us know how good or bad out fuel is stored/handled before it gets to us. A quality additive can negate many ugly things going on in diesel and it's cheap in the overall scheme of things to prevent a problem.

I second all of that! Anti-gel is important but, IMHO, the increased lubricity is vital if injectors and injection pumps are to last whether you are operating in warm or frigid ambient temperatures; summer or winter. I'm a believer in additives for both of those reasons and will continue using them in ALL of my diesel-powered equipment - the cost of using an additive is miniscule when you consider the cost of replacing ANY major component on a diesel. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it. :twocents:
 
/ Diesel fuel information #5  
I second all of that! Anti-gel is important but, IMHO, the increased lubricity is vital if injectors and injection pumps are to last whether you are operating in warm or frigid ambient temperatures; summer or winter. I'm a believer in additives for both of those reasons and will continue using them in ALL of my diesel-powered equipment - the cost of using an additive is miniscule when you consider the cost of replacing ANY major component on a diesel. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it. :twocents:

I second that motion.
 
/ Diesel fuel information #6  
I believe its ULSD Fuel. No additives needed really.
 
/ Diesel fuel information #7  
Quality additives to prevent gelling, improve lubricity, and boost cetane may help and won't hurt. But for low-volume users I think a biocide would be more important. By low-volume, I mean folks that may have the same fuel in the tank (or can) for several months.
 
/ Diesel fuel information #8  
Several months? I fill my 300 gal less than once a year now that I stopped doing hay & building house. I bet most of us with a bulk storage tank fill once a year. I have a spin on fuel filter & change it once a year whether it needs it or not(so far it has never clogged up). I agree that the most important thing I put in there is the biocide. Here is a list of all the problems with microbe infestation:
http://www.bellperformance.com/blog...Contamination-by-Microbes-Fungus-and-Bacteria

They are kinda like the bedbugs of the diesel world except that they are easy to prevent & easy to kill.
 
/ Diesel fuel information #9  
What you need to consider is your injector pumps.
From Bosch:
Lubricity: It is essential that the lubricity of the fuel as measured by the HFRR test specified in ISO
12156-1 meets the requirement of a wear scar diameter not greater than 460 microns. In addition, it is
recommended by the Diesel FIE manufacturers, that 蜷進rst fill of the fuel tank should be with fuel with
good lubricity characteristics (HFRR < 400 オm) in order to guarantee good 騾盃n-in of the injection system
components. The US diesel specification (ASTM D 975-09) includes a lubricity value of 520 オm maximum
(according to ASTM D 6079). It is expected that the useful operating lifetime of any mechanical
component will be adversely affected by fuel with a lubricity exceeding 460 microns.
http://delphi.com/pdf/diesel/FIEM_Common_Position_Statement_2009.pdf

Biocides are important if you are not using fresh fuel, but if you scar your Bosch injectors badly enough they fail.

And then you need to keep it water free.
 
/ Diesel fuel information #10  
I believe its ULSD Fuel. No additives needed really.

There seems to be upper cylinder lubrication problems with older tractors. I've read about a couple 1998-2004 4xxx series Deeres exhibiting this. Since I have a Deere 4400, I started using Power Service. It's pretty cheap insurance...and Power Service does have anti-gel additives too.
The people who mandated ULSD are not concerned with your tractor's health or longevity, so it's up to you to determine if you need an additive. Do not take the EPA's word on the alleged benefits of ULSD.
 
/ Diesel fuel information #11  
In the summer in my 2001 Cat C15 I put 1/2 a quart of automatic transmission fluid once a week in each tank (100 gallons).

In winter for my Kioti CK27 I put about 2 ounces of Kleenflo antigel per 5 gallon can. I use NO ATF in the Kioti. It was designed for ULSD fuel. (I think).

@Roy. I would rather have a Thompson, BUT can't up here in Canada. It is only cops and other crooks are allowed that kind of fire power. lol
 
/ Diesel fuel information #12  
ULSD has additives in it to meet the lubricity standards... barely and it does not meet some of the newest Bosch standards if what I am reading on the car forums is correct. I use the recommended amount of Power Service, gray bottle, in all my diesel vehicles. Like others have said, cheap insureance and my 02 Golf TDI is a little quieter when I use it.
 
/ Diesel fuel information #13  
I don't use any additives in my diesel and never have. I don't care what you add in the fuel, if you get water in it, algae is likely to form. If you try to put water thru an injector, you are going to damage it. The only additive I would say is really needed is anti-gel and then only if you are in an area that gets below 20F and stays there all winter.
I ran an old 1984 Yanmar on straight diesel with no additives ever and never had any issues with fuel, injectors etc. My current tractors are designed to run on ULSD. Most of the stuff on the shelves for cleaning injection systems, increasing oil lubricity is just snake oil much of which has carried over from early 60-70-80's when MAYBE some of the stuff was needed for cleaning the injectors in the new systems and gasoline wasn't filtered enough to keep from dirtying up the fuel systems. Now days, I don't think any of that is needed. I don't use it in any of my vehicles and never had any problems with O2 sensors, injectors fouling etc. Cleaning the fuel rails is big money to a mechanic that uses a $10 can of cleaner and charges $100 or more to do it and does absolutely not one iota of good.
I buy my fuel from a distributor who delivers to my house. It is clean fuel, I keep it stored inside my enclosed shed so no rain can get to it, temperature fluctuation is less also so less likely to get condensation, tank has no vents so is not open to atmosphere either. I have a good fuel filter on the pump to remove any thing that may be in the tank. So far, I have never had to change any fuel filters on my equipment and the ones that have a clear housing show not a bit of contaminates so why change something that isn't dirty.

I would say if it makes you feel better to put an additional $15 per hundred gallons into the tank, then by all means do so. Peace of mind is worth that for sure.
 
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I would say if it makes you feel better to put an additional $15 per hundred gallons :confused: into the tank, then by all means do so. Peace of mind is worth that for sure.

A gallon of Schaeffer's Diesel Treat is around 20 bucks and will treat A Thousand Gallons of fuel so 'peace of mind' just got cheaper :cool:
 
/ Diesel fuel information #15  
Winter anti gell is nessisary. On older machines with mechanicaly ran engines, lower psi injectors and larger sized tips if you were to say add two stroke engine oil it would lube the injection pump and easily come right through the injector. As far as newer machines I would never use anything else than your regular power service or any anti gel of course. Newer machines have higher psi systems and very small injector tips.

What is the fuel system on your or any kioti?
 
/ Diesel fuel information #16  
also cetane improver - Yanmar recommends 50 cetane, we get 40 cetane and MAYBE up to 43-45. This makes poor combustion, high fuel consumption, and dirty injectors & piston rings.

I'd much rather spend a few pennies for cleaner, lower fuel consumption engine with no winter gelling problem & known lubricated injection pump.

These little engines are not sophisticated, computer-controlled, high pressure common rail engines that are much more tolerant to low sulfer / lower lubricity diesel fuels.
 
/ Diesel fuel information #17  
A gallon of Schaeffer's Diesel Treat is around 20 bucks and will treat A Thousand Gallons of fuel so 'peace of mind' just got cheaper :cool:
++1 on the schaeffers,been using it for 15 plus years.Some folks just have to educate themselves.
 

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