GaryM
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Pat's system works fine with implements where the pins are not level. If the pins are not at the same height, the lower one will engage and as you raise the draft arms the higher pin will drop into place.
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duanet
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Gary, Joe brings up a good point and another thought. I agree with you that when you pick up the 3PH, both pins engage even if one is lower. However, now I wonder (I have a JD4100 also) if you shorten or lengthen the levelling link as in crowning a road or digging a ditch, is there a problem? I haven't tried it yet, but wonder if it might create a bind or wear the pins. I guess the test would be if the latches bind on the pins. We'll have to see about that one! I could always go back to the spee balls (perish the thought! /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif ) when needing to tilt the 3PH.
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I've used a rear blade at an angle with Pat's system with no problems, but the angle was probably only a few degrees. There is enough play in the hooks to handle maybe up to 5 degrees?
As for uneven wear, I've not noticed it and my main reason for buying Pat's was because it would accomodate implements with lower links at different widths, where a standard quick hitch will not, as well as the fact that a quick hitch has to be removed when using a Post Hold Digger and the PHD is one of the hardest implements to connect up to a 3pt.
Back to the Delta Hook, I looked at their website and did not see where the lower link width could accomodate varying width, if it can I didn't see it. But even then, it wouldn't work with a PHD.
As for uneven wear, I've not noticed it and my main reason for buying Pat's was because it would accomodate implements with lower links at different widths, where a standard quick hitch will not, as well as the fact that a quick hitch has to be removed when using a Post Hold Digger and the PHD is one of the hardest implements to connect up to a 3pt.
Back to the Delta Hook, I looked at their website and did not see where the lower link width could accomodate varying width, if it can I didn't see it. But even then, it wouldn't work with a PHD.
JerryG
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<font color="blue"> Back to the Delta Hook, I looked at their website and did not see where the lower link width could accomodate varying width, if it can I didn't see it. But even then, it wouldn't work with a PHD. </font>
Most of the A frame type hitches have a wide number of holes that accommodate different widths and heights.
I don't know how this picture will come out, it is the best one that I have of the holes.
Most of the A frame type hitches have a wide number of holes that accommodate different widths and heights.
I don't know how this picture will come out, it is the best one that I have of the holes.
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If you look on the deltahook.com website under specs, they show the receiver plate for a cat 1 being adjustable from 25-1/4 to 29-1/2 width. I am just trying to find out which system would best suit my needs, getting older and find wrestling with heavy implements is getting more & more difficult. I really appreciate all of your input. Pat's system is looking more & more appealing, and the price is affordable.
I don't have a PHD, and probably never will, because thay probably wouldn't work very well on this granite rockpile called New Hampshire!!!
Joe in NH
If you look on the deltahook.com website under specs, they show the receiver plate for a cat 1 being adjustable from 25-1/4 to 29-1/2 width. I am just trying to find out which system would best suit my needs, getting older and find wrestling with heavy implements is getting more & more difficult. I really appreciate all of your input. Pat's system is looking more & more appealing, and the price is affordable.
I don't have a PHD, and probably never will, because thay probably wouldn't work very well on this granite rockpile called New Hampshire!!!
Joe in NH
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kubotajoe... Pat's is a great COMPRAMISE but it may not be the best choice for your situation.
Decide what implements you will use, what your budget is, and then move forward with your choices. If I didn't use a PHD I would have used something other than Pat's. But it probably would have been a more traditional quick hitch system, not one of the two part systems.
Decide what implements you will use, what your budget is, and then move forward with your choices. If I didn't use a PHD I would have used something other than Pat's. But it probably would have been a more traditional quick hitch system, not one of the two part systems.
GaryM
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I'll admit up front that my experience doesn't come close to what many of the other members have had, but I agree with Bob that any "quick hitch" system is a compromise. The Delta unit looks like it would work fine within it's limitations.
Adaptor plate needed for each implement. $$
Won't work with PHD.
Extra weight of unit reduces 3P lift capacity.
Increased setback reduces lift capacity.
The Pat's system shares the issue of increased setback, but it's only a few inches and probably less than you have with the Delta system.
The weight of Pat's is only about 15# if that much and you don't need any adaptors for your implements.
Is it perfect? No.
Are any of the "quick hitches"? No.
Is it the answer for <font color="red"> YOU </font> ? Don't know, might be.
Adaptor plate needed for each implement. $$
Won't work with PHD.
Extra weight of unit reduces 3P lift capacity.
Increased setback reduces lift capacity.
The Pat's system shares the issue of increased setback, but it's only a few inches and probably less than you have with the Delta system.
The weight of Pat's is only about 15# if that much and you don't need any adaptors for your implements.
Is it perfect? No.
Are any of the "quick hitches"? No.
Is it the answer for <font color="red"> YOU </font> ? Don't know, might be.
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GaryM, that's a real good sum up of it all.
On Pat's system, how do you get the tractor arms to grab the pins? As in, how do you get the right width? A quick hitch is fixed, and that is part of it's negative - all your 3pt implements need to be the exact same width. but, you can just back up & grab, everything lines up. With Pat's, your tractor arms can sway side to side, so how do you make that work?
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On Pat's system, how do you get the tractor arms to grab the pins? As in, how do you get the right width? A quick hitch is fixed, and that is part of it's negative - all your 3pt implements need to be the exact same width. but, you can just back up & grab, everything lines up. With Pat's, your tractor arms can sway side to side, so how do you make that work?
--->Paul
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rambler.... if you don't mind, I'll jump in on your question.
Pat's has an option $20.00 spreader bar that can be used to hold the lower links at whatever width you need them. I bought it. I found with use, I didn't need it, and it is still in the box. But if anyone wants one I might be willing... and it would actually be very useful if all your implements had the same size "A" frame, becuase then you could just leave it on and leave it set for that size, I don't have that.
Seriously, the lower links do move around a bit but what I have found is that I back up to the implement, get off, line up the lower links, and then simply back up the rest of the way, or if I'm alread there, just lift the rear hydrualics and the lower links have never missed the implement yet.
You have to remember, on the Pat's system, the operator still has to get off the tractor and connect up the top link. That is one of the main disadvantages of the Pat's system, you cannot just back up, lift and go, even if you have a simple attachement like a blade that does not require a PTO shaft. Obviously anything that uses a PTO shaft requires the operator to get off and connect it up on any of the Quick Hitch systems. But the Pat's system requires the top link ot be connected too. The trade off to that is that Pat's works with pretty much any implement that can be imagined from the often cursed at PHD to standard width implements to extra narrow or extra wide implements.
The other thing that attacted me to Pat's system is that I share implements with a neighbor, many of the other systems would require an adapter to be installed on each implement, which would require me to convince him to spend his money for a system for his tractor and his implements.
So FOR ME, Pat's works well. But as I said before, IF it was not for my particular situation, I might have chosen something more like the Delta Hook, or some of the other brands that have male/female connectors, or more likely I would have a quick hitch system like they sell at TSC or Northern.
Pat's has an option $20.00 spreader bar that can be used to hold the lower links at whatever width you need them. I bought it. I found with use, I didn't need it, and it is still in the box. But if anyone wants one I might be willing... and it would actually be very useful if all your implements had the same size "A" frame, becuase then you could just leave it on and leave it set for that size, I don't have that.
Seriously, the lower links do move around a bit but what I have found is that I back up to the implement, get off, line up the lower links, and then simply back up the rest of the way, or if I'm alread there, just lift the rear hydrualics and the lower links have never missed the implement yet.
You have to remember, on the Pat's system, the operator still has to get off the tractor and connect up the top link. That is one of the main disadvantages of the Pat's system, you cannot just back up, lift and go, even if you have a simple attachement like a blade that does not require a PTO shaft. Obviously anything that uses a PTO shaft requires the operator to get off and connect it up on any of the Quick Hitch systems. But the Pat's system requires the top link ot be connected too. The trade off to that is that Pat's works with pretty much any implement that can be imagined from the often cursed at PHD to standard width implements to extra narrow or extra wide implements.
The other thing that attacted me to Pat's system is that I share implements with a neighbor, many of the other systems would require an adapter to be installed on each implement, which would require me to convince him to spend his money for a system for his tractor and his implements.
So FOR ME, Pat's works well. But as I said before, IF it was not for my particular situation, I might have chosen something more like the Delta Hook, or some of the other brands that have male/female connectors, or more likely I would have a quick hitch system like they sell at TSC or Northern.
Slamfire
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Any chance of makin' a top link with a hook setup like the lift arms on Pat's?