Dead tractor...help!

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oldforestor

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Kub M8560 Orange Millenium Falcon, Kub M4050 wonderful dependable relic
a little help please...
Case 685 running fine at noon, run kinda hard, shut it down without idling it, 30 minutes later wouldnt start. 60 degrees outside. No smoke while turning it over, so no fuel right? Ethered it but it died as soon as out of ether.
Could fuel filter have clogged that fast?
Looking in tank fuel looked cloudy. Used fuel from new place...
Not in a good place to winch onto trailer for service. Thanks in advance.
 
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oldforestor said:
a little help please...
Case 685 running fine at noon, run kinda hard, shut it down without idling it, 30 minutes later wouldnt start. 60 degrees outside. No smoke while turning it over, so no fuel right? Ethered it but it died as soon as out of ether.
Could fuel filter have clogged that fast?
Looking in tank fuel looked cloudy. Used fuel from new place...
Not in a good place to winch onto trailer for service. Thanks in advance.


Check fuel shut off. I don't know that tractor specifically, but some have fuel kill solenoids that fail and won't re-open. Then, if you're satisfied it's working, start tracking fuel flow from tank, through primary pump (if you have one, filter(s), injector pump, then injectors. Find out where the fuel STOPS flowing.
 
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OK, so cloudy fuel doesnt sound relevant?
BTW this is all new fuel, less than 2 weeks old.
 
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Was the same fuel in it while you were running for a bit? I think the other guy that mentioned fuel solenoid may have a good point. Clogged fuel filter would be a problem as well. Wasn't the tractor running fine up to the point when you shut it down? You didn't notice it losing power in other words?
 
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Also, I'm not sure about your specific tractor but for many newer models you are not supposed to use ether or any other starter fluids.
 
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Attached is a picture of my fuel system, quite generic ...gravity feed from fuel tank to filter bowl through a mesh strainer in the bottom of the tank, as I have indicated. I would have a new replacement fuel filter with me as I approached the problem.

To see if fuel is your problem, first check is filter bowl (glass on mine) ...remove, if necessary to check. If full, then replace the filter. If (mostly) empty, then next check to make sure that the fuel shutoff is open. Still no fuel in flowing to the bowl? Next, pull the fuel line at "Pt. A", with a container at hand to catch any fuel (but, there shouldn't be any as the bowl was not full). Now, with the container ready, blow up the line you just disconnected, to blow away any debris blocking the mesh strainer ...fuel should flow profusely (into the container) and then reattach the line. Bowl should fill. Now, "all" you have to do is bleed the system, get to a better location quickly, and then deal with the debris in the tank (and the supplier).

I have also attached a pic of the bleeding instructions which makes it sound simple. Not shown is the possible necessity of breaking the lines to the individual injectors and cranking till fuel flows out ...best done by two people and with a fully charged battery or jumper. If fuel flows to the injectors, then either they need replacing (because of contaminated fuel, most likely) or the problem is not your fuel system.

If the "blow into the tank through the line" trick worked but it keeps clogging, you could try rigging a "plasma bottle" with fresh fuel into your bowl, directly (plugging the line from the tank) until you get to a place where you can deal with the fuel-in-the-tank problem ...which I would suspect, because fuel should not be cloudy, as you know ...could be water (which would constrict a water-block filter) and/or algae ...in which case, lose the old fuel and treat new with a "biocide" for diesel fuel.

To get rid of the debris at the mesh filter (if you have one and that were your problem) siphon all fuel from the tank, ideally with your siphon tube at the mesh strainer to pull out debris ...with an empty tank and a strong flashlight you might be able to see the strainer.

Hope any of this helps ...if you have a fuel pump, vice gravity feed like mine, then that's another (possible) issue ...it should have a strainer on the pickup which may need to be pulled, or the fuel pump may need attention.
 

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Treemonkey1000 said:
Was the same fuel in it while you were running for a bit? I think the other guy that mentioned fuel solenoid may have a good point. Clogged fuel filter would be a problem as well. Wasn't the tractor running fine up to the point when you shut it down? You didn't notice it losing power in other words?

Yes, same fuel and not obviously losing power but as I think back it seems
it was working too hard for a mediocre job.
 
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N80 said:
Also, I'm not sure about your specific tractor but for many newer models you are not supposed to use ether or any other starter fluids.

This machine is 22 years old so Im hoping by "Newer" you mean less than that!
 
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Replace filter; while filter is off; turn on fuel and see if you have fuel to filter. Bleed and restart. Do Not use ether.
 

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