Comparing the 'orange' machines.

IXLR8 · Dec 24, 2007

Happy Holidays to all,
My loan was approved and I am on my way to own a one year old CK30HST, with KL130 loader w/reinforcing bracket w/SS QA and a DK bucket w/ 2 hooks and a 'bucket buddy', loaded rear tires, KB2375 BH w/16' bucket w/ thumb, 1 rear remote, chains for all 4 wheels, block heater.

Now I just need to get back from my holiday trip to arrange for delivery, which won't be until after the first of the year. Yes... Pics will be posted as soon as I get it.

IslandTractor · Dec 24, 2007

Husky mower to a loaded CK30 TLB....nice upgrade. Santa must have thought you were a good boy.

Dmace · Dec 24, 2007

Sounds like a great setup!

Welcome to the pack!

IXLR8 · Dec 26, 2007

IslandTractor said:
Husky mower to a loaded CK30 TLB....nice upgrade. Santa must have thought you were a good boy.

Hmmm, Still have the Husky for mowing the 1.5 acres of lawn. I also got an 84" 6 way rear blade to help with snow removal and road maintenance. SWMBO said I could buy what I wanted... so I did.

art · Dec 26, 2007

IslandTractor said:
Electric PTO /QUOTE]

Great on lawn tractors! Not on any type of compact or four wheel drive tractor

IslandTractor · Dec 27, 2007

art said:
IslandTractor said:

Electric PTO /QUOTE]

Great on lawn tractors! Not on any type of compact or four wheel drive tractor

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I've gotten used to mine Art. I mostly like it. The only thing I still find a bit odd is the sudden PTO engagement after hitting the switch. Lowering the idle to 700 or so before hitting the PTO button minimizes the lurch. There are some benefits that don't come with manual PTO. Less clutter on the operating station for one. No need for a clutch pedal or PTO engagement lever. It also gives you the ability to set the PTO in "safety" mode which automatically cuts the PTO if you raise the 3pt implement too high. I don't use that feature but I can see that it could be useful. The ability to engage/disengage 4WD on the fly is nice too.

The downside of an electric/hydraulic PTO or 4WD is that you are more dependent on electrical switches, solonoids, connectors etc but even a mechanical PTO has electric safety cut outs so I'm not so sure it is a big deal. We all rely on lots of electric controls in cars/trucks without worrying about it.

I would guess that the big really fancy Ag tractors are all pretty much using electrical PTO and drive systems today. If it is reliable enough for those tractors I don't see the problem with putting it on CUTs too.

art · Dec 27, 2007

You very well do like it! Your dealer will too!! They are great on lawn mowers as some will even last over a thousand hours on the right application!!!!! Many don't, I like the hydraulic units like on the farm tractors that we sell. They normally go thousands of hours with no problems. I guess if you don't use the pto then you won't know the difference.

williekioti · Dec 27, 2007

IXLR8 said:
Happy Holidays to all,
My loan was approved and I am on my way to own a one year old CK30HST, with KL130 loader w/reinforcing bracket w/SS QA and a DK bucket w/ 2 hooks and a 'bucket buddy', loaded rear tires, KB2375 BH w/16' bucket w/ thumb, 1 rear remote, chains for all 4 wheels, block heater. Now I just need to get back from my holiday trip to arrange for delivery, which won't be until after the first of the year. Yes... Pics will be posted as soon as I get it.

Congratulations and welcome to the pack(almost.....

)

Sounds like you've got a nicely packaged machine heading your way soon.

DAP · Dec 30, 2007

williekioti said:
Congratulations and welcome to the pack(almost..... )

Sounds like you've got a nicely packaged machine heading your way soon.

IXLR8 ....is it too late to turn back to Kubota???? I bought from the same dealer and they should be the deciding factor, not the machines. They are too closely matched.

IXLR8 · Dec 30, 2007

DAP said:
IXLR8 ....is it too late to turn back to Kubota???? I bought from the same dealer and they should be the deciding factor, not the machines. They are too closely matched.

It is too late for Kubota.. unless they want to change their layout and ergonomics. I am not sure what dealer you are referring to, but yes the local 'Friendly' Kubota dealer does seem willing to go the extra mile, but the Kubota's just are not ergonomically friendly for me. Due to the local dealer, I would have gone Kubota if they were comfortable for me and not an ergonomic nightmare.

davitk · Dec 30, 2007

Just to keep this thread honest, here's the "ergonomic nightmare" that is my new Kubota:

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MikePA: Changed huge inline picture to a link.

TBDonnelly · Dec 30, 2007

davitk said:
Just to keep this thread honest, here's the "ergonomic nightmare" that is my new Kubota:

IXLR8 wrote: ....but the Kubota's just are not ergonomically friendly for me.

As we all know.....tractors are like shoes, one size does not fit all.

IXLR8 has it right.

Don

davitk · Dec 30, 2007

TBDonnelly said:
IXLR8 wrote: ....but the Kubota's just are not ergonomically friendly for me.

As we all know.....tractors are like shoes, one size does not fit all.

IXLR8 has it right.

Don

Just to satisfy my curiosity and since you also have a Kioti CK30HST, why not post a picture, the same view of your operator's platfom? I would love to see the superior layout - excuse me, foot print of the Kioti.

...in completeness, what IXLR8 actually wrote was "I would have gone Kubota if they were comfortable for me and not an ergonomic nightmare."

IslandTractor · Dec 30, 2007

davitk said:
Just to satisfy my curiosity and since you also have a Kioti CK30HST, why not post a picture, the same view of your operator's platfom? I would love to see the superior layout - excuse me, foot print of the Kioti.

...in completeness, what IXLR8 actually wrote was "I would have gone Kubota if they were comfortable for me and not an ergonomic nightmare."

Let's not start a color war. Obviously the "nightmare" term is an exaggeration though as I recall there have been quite a number of complaints by the folks on the Kubota forum about lousy seat position and comfort on the B3030. I haven't checked recently but I even recall some discussion about Kubota replacing that seat. The Kioti comes with a pretty nice suspension seat so many people may find it more comfortable. For some people the Kioti fits better and for others the Kubota. No biggie.

TBDonnelly · Dec 30, 2007

IXLR8 said:
It is too late for Kubota.. unless they want to change their layout and ergonomics. I am not sure what dealer you are referring to, but yes the local 'Friendly' Kubota dealer does seem willing to go the extra mile, but the Kubota's just are not ergonomically friendly for me.

davitk: as noted above, I did quote IXLR8 exactly.

The ergonomic nightmare line actually came in the next sentence.....

Due to the local dealer, I would have gone Kubota if they were comfortable for me and not an ergonomic nightmare.

Beauty (operator platform layout) is in the eye of the beholder. So while my CK30 is right for me doesn't mean it's right for everybody.

As IT stated: No biggie.

Don

IXLR8 · Dec 30, 2007

Before we get into too much of one upmanship contest here. The issues I have with the Kubota are: With the CTD (Cumulitive Trama Disorder) in my right arm.. there is no way I can hold my arm up and use the FEL control for any extended period of time. I found the backhoe operators station very cramped for my long legs. My feet felt tucked under me and I was perched on the seat, felt like I was going to fall forward onto the BH. After a little bit of use, I found that I had put my feet on top of the foot protection guards. Guess they are not going to provide much protection if my feet are on top of them and not behind them. The dealer showed me the Woods BH has more room, with an adjustable seat, but was not going install one on a machine for me to check out... unless I bought the machine... before he put it on. Also, with my large feet, I prefer the flat floor of the CK machines over the angled one on the Kubota. Kubota's are a good machine, the local dealer is very good, excellent compaired to the others in the area. But for ME, the ergos are a no go... I do wish this was not the case, but it is. The FEL control up on the FEL unit and not on the side of the seat, like JD and Kioti, was the reason for me eliminating ALL the tractors that are set up that way.

IXLR8 · Dec 30, 2007

IslandTractor said:
Let's not start a color war. Obviously the "nightmare" term is an exaggeration though as I recall there have been quite a number of complaints by the folks on the Kubota forum about lousy seat position and comfort on the B3030. I haven't checked recently but I even recall some discussion about Kubota replacing that seat.

The original seat on the B3030 I found to be terrible, I actually slid off the front of the seat.

There is no way I could use that machine with that seat. The dealer sent me an email 2 weeks later when he had the new upgraded seat installed. It was night and day, the new seat was very supportive and comfortable.

davitk · Dec 31, 2007

Here's a quote from page # one of this thread, and I will leave it at that barring further slander and misinformation:

davitk said:
The B series Kubotas are not in the same size class as the Kioti CK30, the Kubota L2800 or L3400 frame and weight are much more similar. The B3030 seats on ALL new tractors are a different design; if you like the tractor order a new one that already has the new seat,

Just for kicks, you really ought to look at a Kubota Grand L (e.g. L3240), about 1800.00 more than the B3030 but 2x the tractor. Very, very nice tractor.

Good luck and have fun!

Because of the name on this thread I will re-post my picture, smaller sized

o ), since it does have it's place and to keep the facts straight.

IXLR8, I truly am happy for you and wish you the best of luck with your new machine. The CTD (not sure what that is, but I have right side rotator cuff/tennis elbow/wrist problems myself) will truly justify a fender mounted joystick, I love mine. And, just for the record and for those reading this thread and tractor shopping at the same time, fender mount relocation kits are availble for many machines.

Peace.

Dave

TBDonnelly · Dec 31, 2007

davitk said:
Here's a quote from page # one of this thread, and I will leave it at that barring further slander and misinformation(Quote not reposted)

Because of the name on this thread I will re-post my picture, smaller sized o ), since it does have it's place and to keep the facts straight.

IXLR8, I truly am happy for you and wish you the best of luck with your new machine. The CTD (not sure what that is, but I have right side rotator cuff/tennis elbow/wrist problems myself) will truly justify a fender mounted joystick, I love mine. And, just for the record and for those reading this thread and tractor shopping at the same time, fender mount relocation kits are availble for many machines.

Peace.

Dave

Inline pictures are time consuming to load for slower dial-up internet connections.....so.... changing the picture to an attachment is a common courtesy and has no bearing on keeping the "facts straight".

"......further slander and misinformation."

hmmmm....inappropriate strong words I'd say.

Don