Loader Ck27 loader capacity. Lifting a giant pumpkin.

pickeringchris · Sep 5, 2012

I went to weigh one of my giant pumpkins. Curled bucket back as far as it could go. Hooked crane scale up and proceeded to lift pumpkin. Scale went to 900lbs and I had no lift past that. Pumpkin was likely around 1000lbs.

I thought my loader capacity was 1150? Wtf?

Chris

LD1 · Sep 5, 2012

Now you know that 1150lb rating at the pins = 900lbs at where ever you were hooked:thumbsup: Bucket edge??? Bucket center???? Where exactally where you hooked at?

pickeringchris · Sep 5, 2012

I have a hook welded to the top center of the bucket. The bucket was curled back all the way towards the tractor bringing the load point as close to the tractor as possible.

LD1 · Sep 5, 2012

I am having a hard time getting a visual. It isnt where you attach to the loader at. rather it is where the load is in relation to the loader.

If I am visioning it correctly, you had a rope/cable/chain or whatever attached at the hook, then running forward down over the cutting edge and dangling below to attach to the pumpkin. If thats the case, then the load is still centered at the cutting edge.

The only way you could have hooked to be RIGHT over the hook would have been to raise the loader, drive the loader up OVER the pumpkin, and let the rope/chain dangle BEHIND the bucket. BUT....your hook is probabally welded on the wrong direction for that.

LD1 · Sep 5, 2012

Crappy drawing, but if this is how you were hooked, thats would still be considered "cutting edge"

pickeringchris · Sep 5, 2012

You are exactly correct about the chain position. No way I could do it the way your suggest because the pumpkin is too large in circumference. It was around 180" circumference. No big deal. It was rotting and I wanted to weigh it. Instead I chopped it up with the bucket and put it in the compost. Still, I was surprised the loaded couldn't lift more. I thought the 1150 rating was at the bucket. There is something else in the specs that says 1900 lbs break out at pins. I thought that was the capacity at the pins.
Oh well. :-(

pickeringchris · Sep 5, 2012

Here is a pic before I chopped it up.

madmax12 · Sep 5, 2012

LD1...

I'm tempted...

madmax12 · Sep 5, 2012

pickeringchris said:
You are exactly correct about the chain position. No way I could do it the way your suggest because the pumpkin is too large in circumference. It was around 180" circumference. No big deal. It was rotting and I wanted to weigh it. Instead I chopped it up with the bucket and put it in the compost. Still, I was surprised the loaded couldn't lift more. I thought the 1150 rating was at the bucket. There is something else in the specs that says 1900 lbs break out at pins. I thought that was the capacity at the pins.
Oh well. :-(

From a demo I've seen, by daves tractor, to do that u would lift to full lift capacity. Then, while at full lift capacity, u would curl for breakout force. Your scale should have gone all the way to full breakout force...at least, it did for daves tractor video on you tube. Search YouTube for max 25 lifts forklift...to see the video.

LD1 · Sep 5, 2012

madmax12 said:
LD1...

I'm tempted...

Tempted to what??

madmax12 said:
From a demo I've seen, by daves tractor, to do that u would lift to full lift capacity. Then, while at full lift capacity, u would curl for breakout force. Your scale should have gone all the way to full breakout force...at least, it did for daves tractor video on you tube. Search YouTube for max 25 lifts forklift...to see the video.

Yep you are correct.

The breakout force is basically the curl force. If I understand secs correctly, curling would have allowed you to lift 1900# at the PINS. So with the de-rating of moving out the edge....You would have probabally lifted the pumpkin.

To get that breakout, you basically have to uncurl the bucket so the cutting edge is close to level. Then RAISE until it wont raise any more (applying 900# of force in your case). With that force applied, you then curl. Thats breakout.

There have been lengthy discussions about the ratings of loaders. And trust me, its not just kioti. But it seems we are shifting away from usefull measurments and onto useless "at the pins" measurments. The reason is the numbers are higher back their, and higher numbers sell more tractors:confused2:

fredw · Sep 5, 2012

unless you have a mahindra tractor:laughing::cool2:cut it in two and weigh seperate.

Fredw

madmax12 · Sep 5, 2012

fredw said:
unless you have a mahindra tractor:laughing::cool2:cut it in two and weigh seperate.

Fredw

Well... I resisted the temptation.

I see jumped in with both feet!

:shocked:

k0ua · Sep 5, 2012

Chris if you had removed your bucket, and put on a SSQA plate with the hook on it it would have likely lifted it also. But as you pointed out due to the the diameter of the pumpkin you could not do that either. You know my tractor a DK35se would have likely lifted the pumpkin, but where do you draw the line? The tractor I have now will lift more than the one I traded in, but I still have hooked onto things I cannot lift, so do I trade it for a bigger one? There is always a bigger tractor, and always a bigger thing you could try to lift.. I think the 900 lbs out on the bucket edge was pretty good for your tractors size.

James K0UA

LD1 · Sep 5, 2012

k0ua said:
but where do you draw the line? The tractor I have now will lift more than the one I traded in, but I still have hooked onto things I cannot lift, so do I trade it for a bigger one? There is always a bigger tractor, and always a bigger thing you could try to lift..
James K0UA

Excellent point:thumbsup:

I have latched onto things with my 5500TLB (18,000lb machine) that I have not been able to lift. But I certainly am not going to go buy a bigger backhoe..................just yet:laughing:

IndyIan · Sep 5, 2012

Maybe to squeeze some more lift, try lifting as high as you can with the bucket at full dump, then curl it to full up?
Nice sized pumpkin though! One of the guys at work is into pumpkins as well, and got a solid 700lb one last year, I'll have to ask how he did this year with all the heat.

pickeringchris · Sep 6, 2012

Hey guys. Thanks so much for contributing to this thread.
When I got this tractor I knew I would be growing pumpkins beyond its capacity. I didn't get the tractor to lift em. I have a tripod for that. I just thought id give it a try.

Btw, I saw that YouTube video. Pretty cool. Was it me or was his front tire squashed right into the ground???

C

madmax12 · Sep 6, 2012

pickeringchris said:
Hey guys. Thanks so much for contributing to this thread.
When I got this tractor I knew I would be growing pumpkins beyond its capacity. I didn't get the tractor to lift em. I have a tripod for that. I just thought id give it a try.

Btw, I saw that YouTube video. Pretty cool. Was it me or was his front tire squashed right into the ground???

C

I think u saw a squished tire... he put that little tractor to the TEST... to the MAX, even.

Note: It PASSED with flying colors

kiotiken · Sep 7, 2012

I always assumed the lift capacity was without the bucket. If you figure in the weight of the bucket, you're pretty close. I am surprised it didn't lift it, even with the bucket on and in front of the pins since the rating is to full height. The higher the load, the less capacity from the loader. I tested it once with a large rock in the bucket on a very flat stable surface. I got about 4ft and couldn't lift any higher.