CK20, CK25 or CK30???
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I DO recall seeing that. And This is why there is a bit of confusion. The LK has a quick attact BUCKET and the KL is a quick attact loader.
Yes the dealer has them in ~ saw them with my own 2 eyes and tried it out. BUT ..... took to long to decide between the CK 25 and 30. So have to wait till the end of the week for the loaders to come in. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Most of my test driving was on the Ck 25, decided to go with the 30 thinking it may have a better resale value [not that I plan on parting with it] Was the 30 worth the price difference?
I doubt it, but who ever regretted having more power? /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
My dealer said Kioti's move to the thier new warehouse in N.C slowed things down a bit, but getting back on track.
Yes the dealer has them in ~ saw them with my own 2 eyes and tried it out. BUT ..... took to long to decide between the CK 25 and 30. So have to wait till the end of the week for the loaders to come in. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Most of my test driving was on the Ck 25, decided to go with the 30 thinking it may have a better resale value [not that I plan on parting with it] Was the 30 worth the price difference?
I doubt it, but who ever regretted having more power? /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
My dealer said Kioti's move to the thier new warehouse in N.C slowed things down a bit, but getting back on track.
I do stand corrected. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif You did not see it in this fourm. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
I believe I saw it in the tractorpoint forum. Hope you accept my humble apology /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
p.s I like this forum much better /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I believe I saw it in the tractorpoint forum. Hope you accept my humble apology /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
p.s I like this forum much better /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Absolutely no apology needed to anyone!
And you are totally correct about TBN being better than that other site. Going there is sort of like cheating on your wife. Something that IF you do it, you end up feeling guilty about it and you know it is wrong when you are doing it. Best cure is not to do it at all.
And you are totally correct about TBN being better than that other site. Going there is sort of like cheating on your wife. Something that IF you do it, you end up feeling guilty about it and you know it is wrong when you are doing it. Best cure is not to do it at all.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I do stand corrected. You did not see it in this fourm.
I believe I saw it in the tractorpoint forum. Hope you accept my humble apology
p.s I like this forum much better )</font>
You may not be totally wrong about it being in this forum.
A recent post stated that the poster was looking at tractors and wanted a quick attach loader. Poster mentioned CK30, and I responded that I wasn't sure if the CK30 has quick attach, but others assured us that it does. Maybe that's what you had read. While I had gone out to my dealer's and tried out a CK30, I had not paid close attention to what was offered on the loader, I just tried it out to see how well it worked, and man, it worked. John
I believe I saw it in the tractorpoint forum. Hope you accept my humble apology
p.s I like this forum much better )</font>
You may not be totally wrong about it being in this forum.
A recent post stated that the poster was looking at tractors and wanted a quick attach loader. Poster mentioned CK30, and I responded that I wasn't sure if the CK30 has quick attach, but others assured us that it does. Maybe that's what you had read. While I had gone out to my dealer's and tried out a CK30, I had not paid close attention to what was offered on the loader, I just tried it out to see how well it worked, and man, it worked. John
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KiotiJohn, if you want to try the out the quick attach mount and your dealer doesn't have one in stock, go to either a Farmall or NH dealer. The QA feature on the Kioti loader looks identical to the one used by CNH. In fact I have often wondered if the Kioti and the CNH loaders are made in the same factory? I doubt they would interchange with each other because they are probably made for a specific size, and the lift height specs are slightly different so I suspect depending on the model, one brand may be slightly longer than another. The loaders seem to ride slightly differently as well, the NH & Farmall loaders seem to slope down at a more severe angle when the bucket is all the way down. The real visible difference between the two is that Kioti has a tube over the top of the hood that connects to the uprights on each side of the tractor.
To: Mr.Skurka, before you start feeling too blue, we did try out a new holland,[not sure of make and model, 4 yrs old w/300 hours] seemed pretty nice, However the dealer was a "roadside"guy with no shop. said he wanted to give us a "sweet deal on a sweet tractor" and would even throw in a one year warranty [though I did not see a shop] Wasn't sure if he was talking to us or the guy on the cell phone that was attached to his head the whole time he was talking to us!
Needless to say, we burnt rubber leaving that place and headed right to the Kioti dealer! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
And to Kioti John,
Ever think of selling Kioti's? ~ They should at least give you a free hat or something! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Well, time to mow the lawn with our old faithfull craftsman mower ~ Maybe next week the lawn will be brushhogged! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Needless to say, we burnt rubber leaving that place and headed right to the Kioti dealer! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
And to Kioti John,
Ever think of selling Kioti's? ~ They should at least give you a free hat or something! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Well, time to mow the lawn with our old faithfull craftsman mower ~ Maybe next week the lawn will be brushhogged! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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When looking at a previous thread by sodamo in this very forum, he was talking about a quick attach feature.
Here is a quote from one of his replies:
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I don't think the quick attach for KL130 loader is available yet. I hope it is in near future. That caused me to wonder - are buckets sold specifically for each loader? The KL130 60" bucket is different from KL1450 60" bucket? Perhaps ATI will have it soon. )</font>
It sounds like he is talking about a quick attach for loader mounted attachments.
I'll post a link to the thread:
Liking the CK30
Here is a quote from one of his replies:
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I don't think the quick attach for KL130 loader is available yet. I hope it is in near future. That caused me to wonder - are buckets sold specifically for each loader? The KL130 60" bucket is different from KL1450 60" bucket? Perhaps ATI will have it soon. )</font>
It sounds like he is talking about a quick attach for loader mounted attachments.
I'll post a link to the thread:
Liking the CK30
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readytogo. . . I was specifically referring to the LA series NH loaders and the nearly identical looking 120 and 130 loaders from Kioti. The similarities between the CNH loaders and the Kioti loaders makes me wonder if they are built on the same production line. But again, they must be slightly different because of the slightly different specs in lift height and capacities. The NH LA12 & Farmall LX112 is nearly identical to the 120 (or visa versa) and the 130 is a virutal twin to the NH LA14 & Farmall LX114. The quick attach pins, their placement, the hydraulic line plumbing, the placement of the cylinders, etc all bear an uncanny resemblence to each other.
Not sure what you mean by me feeling blue???, I also own orange, red & gray, and yellow . . . in addition to some small stuff from green and restore the other color green. So I consider myself colorblind. Every brand has BAD dealers. I always recommend people buy from a good servicing dealer, regardless of brand, and if you read my posts I have recommended people walk away from orange, blue and green dealers that don't treat them well.
Not sure what you mean by me feeling blue???, I also own orange, red & gray, and yellow . . . in addition to some small stuff from green and restore the other color green. So I consider myself colorblind. Every brand has BAD dealers. I always recommend people buy from a good servicing dealer, regardless of brand, and if you read my posts I have recommended people walk away from orange, blue and green dealers that don't treat them well.
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JayC . . . after reading that, I too agree with you. That sure sounds like quick attach at the bucket for things like forks, etc. Especially with the reference to ATI since they specialize in quick attach buckets and implments, not the actual loader assembly.
Well, as far as the quick attach loader, will be able to settle that. The dealer called and said he'll be bringing out the new Ck 30 tommorow!
Needed some good news after changing the blades on the mower ~ seems to me the PACKAGING is made better than the blades themselves! /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
Truthfully speaking, anyone that has a nice tractor thinks it's the best, and rightfully so! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
But I would like to hear from someone who actually has a CK 25 and what they think of it!
Needed some good news after changing the blades on the mower ~ seems to me the PACKAGING is made better than the blades themselves! /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
Truthfully speaking, anyone that has a nice tractor thinks it's the best, and rightfully so! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
But I would like to hear from someone who actually has a CK 25 and what they think of it!
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When they deliver the new machine tomorrow, don't forget the pics! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Does it strike anyone as odd that the original poster chose the tractor BRAND even before considering the tractor itself?" "I'd suggest doing it this way: First, lay out the tasks and rank them by importance, then find all the machines that will complete those tasks. Then eliminate machines based on their weaknessess in the most important areas first. Then eliminate machines that remain based on cost, warrenty, parts availability, dealer support, etc (and some of those are subjective depending your individual needs). Then pick from the tractors that remain. )</font>
I appreciate the comments and will certainly try to build a list of pros and cons to discard the chaff. That's tougher than it sounds in my case since my needs are varied and my experience is nil. But I'll give it a shot. So far it's been a great learning experience.
As to picking the brand first, I was just asking about how each of the Kiotis would do for my needs since I don't know anything about them. I posted on the Kioti board so I had to ask about Kiotis. I have looked and looked at the other brands between 20 - 35 hp and was hoping to find big $$$ savings by leaving the Japanese brands. Not going to happen based on the dealers I spoke to today. You save some money and you get more features, but I would lose some things too like peace of mind that first year and some resale value. I have to give this some more thought and put some more emphasis on the dealer support. I am going Kioti riding tomorrow so that should help give me an idea what these machines can and can't do. Unfortunately the dealers near me don't carry the CK25. I wonder if they have concerns about being able to sell them since the CK20 and CK30 seem to hit the sweet spots?
I appreciate the comments and will certainly try to build a list of pros and cons to discard the chaff. That's tougher than it sounds in my case since my needs are varied and my experience is nil. But I'll give it a shot. So far it's been a great learning experience.
As to picking the brand first, I was just asking about how each of the Kiotis would do for my needs since I don't know anything about them. I posted on the Kioti board so I had to ask about Kiotis. I have looked and looked at the other brands between 20 - 35 hp and was hoping to find big $$$ savings by leaving the Japanese brands. Not going to happen based on the dealers I spoke to today. You save some money and you get more features, but I would lose some things too like peace of mind that first year and some resale value. I have to give this some more thought and put some more emphasis on the dealer support. I am going Kioti riding tomorrow so that should help give me an idea what these machines can and can't do. Unfortunately the dealers near me don't carry the CK25. I wonder if they have concerns about being able to sell them since the CK20 and CK30 seem to hit the sweet spots?
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( When looking at a previous thread by sodamo ...
It sounds like he is talking about a quick attach for loader mounted attachments.
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My apologies for the confusion. The KL130 is indeed a quick attach, which the dealer aptly demo'd - pull the pins, unhook the hydros and back away - all from the seat. Very nice.
My question should have specifically asked about availability of quick attach for the bucket, forks, etc - (skid steer type attachments)
My guess is, if I were to add the quick attach adapter later, my original attachments won't mate with the new skid steer type pins and I'd have to replace them. If that is true, I'd stay with the original pin method and attachments. Is my understanding correct? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Your patience and understanding appreciated - I'm new and trying to learn. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
It sounds like he is talking about a quick attach for loader mounted attachments.
.... )</font>
My apologies for the confusion. The KL130 is indeed a quick attach, which the dealer aptly demo'd - pull the pins, unhook the hydros and back away - all from the seat. Very nice.
My question should have specifically asked about availability of quick attach for the bucket, forks, etc - (skid steer type attachments)
My guess is, if I were to add the quick attach adapter later, my original attachments won't mate with the new skid steer type pins and I'd have to replace them. If that is true, I'd stay with the original pin method and attachments. Is my understanding correct? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Your patience and understanding appreciated - I'm new and trying to learn. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Enjoy your tractor driving! As for not having assurance during that first year, Kioti has a 2 yr full warranty and 1 yr drivetrain. ~ they may have thought you were talking about grey market tractors.
If you question the ability of the CK 20, check out kiotijohn's photo album. ~
If you question the ability of the CK 20, check out kiotijohn's photo album. ~
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( If you question the ability of the CK 20, check out kiotijohn's photo album. )</font>
I only wish I had been able to get pics of this last Saturday when I volunteered to help clean up tornado damage done a little over a week ago in and around my neighborhood.
The CK20 was really put to the test as I was using the loader AND the backhoe to haul out tree trunks, limbs, parts of the house etc. At times I would have the loader bucket absoulutely full of heavy oak cuttings, and the backhoe would have a tree trunk gripped in its bucket as well. It performed so well that all the people involved were amazed that a tractor of this size could do so much.
This is one of the reasons I feel the CK25 could well be a great tractor also. With the extra HP, and a stronger loader, the extras like telescoping hitch arms, liftable PTO cover, tilt wheel etc., it's an extremely pleasurable tractor to operate, and I think it IS a good bit more able than the CK20. However, as I have said before, one won't know unless one gets the chance to go really work one.
As for the quick attach, Sodamo, I thought all along you were talking about quick attach for the loader bucket and implements. I have been told the CK30 DOES have that feature, and they are now avaiable for distribution. Another nice feature.
For anyone looking at tractors, don't forget to compare the alternator power as well. My CK20 has a 50 amp alternator, and many others have only 40. Also, the CKs come with a joystick controller installed, and is often extra on other brands. Always be sure to find out exactly what is included as standard, and what is extra. These little Kioti extras can really run up the price on another brand that doesn't include them. John
I only wish I had been able to get pics of this last Saturday when I volunteered to help clean up tornado damage done a little over a week ago in and around my neighborhood.
The CK20 was really put to the test as I was using the loader AND the backhoe to haul out tree trunks, limbs, parts of the house etc. At times I would have the loader bucket absoulutely full of heavy oak cuttings, and the backhoe would have a tree trunk gripped in its bucket as well. It performed so well that all the people involved were amazed that a tractor of this size could do so much.
This is one of the reasons I feel the CK25 could well be a great tractor also. With the extra HP, and a stronger loader, the extras like telescoping hitch arms, liftable PTO cover, tilt wheel etc., it's an extremely pleasurable tractor to operate, and I think it IS a good bit more able than the CK20. However, as I have said before, one won't know unless one gets the chance to go really work one.
As for the quick attach, Sodamo, I thought all along you were talking about quick attach for the loader bucket and implements. I have been told the CK30 DOES have that feature, and they are now avaiable for distribution. Another nice feature.
For anyone looking at tractors, don't forget to compare the alternator power as well. My CK20 has a 50 amp alternator, and many others have only 40. Also, the CKs come with a joystick controller installed, and is often extra on other brands. Always be sure to find out exactly what is included as standard, and what is extra. These little Kioti extras can really run up the price on another brand that doesn't include them. John
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<font color="blue">Kioti has a 2 yr full warranty and 1 yr drivetrain.</font>
Clarification on the warranty.
<font color="blue">Kioti has a 2 yr full warranty and</font> <font color="black"> an additonal</font><font color="blue"> 1 yr drivetrain. </font>
2 years full warranty/3 years drivetrain.
Don
Clarification on the warranty.
<font color="blue">Kioti has a 2 yr full warranty and</font> <font color="black"> an additonal</font><font color="blue"> 1 yr drivetrain. </font>
2 years full warranty/3 years drivetrain.
Don
I used my new First CHoice 52" Tiller yesterday with my CK25HST in clay soil . I was able to till with full depth in the first pass. I had to go as slow as possible in Low range, but it did the job. I had to go slow mainly because the tiller wanted to jump and vibrate if I went too fast. I didn't have a problem at all. Is 5 hp worth $1500?? Not to me.
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5hp for $1500 is a rip off. My guess is the dealership either overpriced the CK30 or dramatically discounted the CK25 to get it off his lot.
As for the tiller size, I would expect a 52" tiller to work well with that hp. I use a 50" with a 24hp machine in heavy clay. And the 50" tiller covers my rear tire tracks with a couple inches to spare, but your 52" tiller, is narrower than the rear track of your tractor (by 2.6") so your tiller is not tilling everything your tires are compressing. That said, the CK30 could go up to a 60" tiller in the same heavy clay soil you have. And could run a 60" bush hog and a 72" finish mower. In every case of a PTO powered implement, the CK30 will get the job done faster because it will pull a larger implement without bogging the engine, and since the 2 machines turn in the same radius, it will be more efficient in the field doing work. Now, a small frame 24hp machine will operate the same implements as the CK25, and will turn circles around it, so the smaller frame unit would actually do things like mow faster than the CK25. I've said before that the 25hp engine in the CK20 frame would be an awesome machine.
But again, I think it is odd that my compliments about the CK20 and CK30 have all been so overlooked and so much has been made about my comments of the CK25.
Someone else posted that there is a dealer that doesn't carry the CK25 but stocks the CK20 and CK30. Hmmmm. Maybe the CK20 & CK30 really do hit the sweet spots in the market. I think I will continue to disagree with some people about the CK25 because it just doesn't seem like a good compramise or a good value based on the implements it can utilize properly. So I think the price bump to the CK30 is justified, even if $1500 spread seems to be a rip off.
As for the tiller size, I would expect a 52" tiller to work well with that hp. I use a 50" with a 24hp machine in heavy clay. And the 50" tiller covers my rear tire tracks with a couple inches to spare, but your 52" tiller, is narrower than the rear track of your tractor (by 2.6") so your tiller is not tilling everything your tires are compressing. That said, the CK30 could go up to a 60" tiller in the same heavy clay soil you have. And could run a 60" bush hog and a 72" finish mower. In every case of a PTO powered implement, the CK30 will get the job done faster because it will pull a larger implement without bogging the engine, and since the 2 machines turn in the same radius, it will be more efficient in the field doing work. Now, a small frame 24hp machine will operate the same implements as the CK25, and will turn circles around it, so the smaller frame unit would actually do things like mow faster than the CK25. I've said before that the 25hp engine in the CK20 frame would be an awesome machine.
But again, I think it is odd that my compliments about the CK20 and CK30 have all been so overlooked and so much has been made about my comments of the CK25.
Someone else posted that there is a dealer that doesn't carry the CK25 but stocks the CK20 and CK30. Hmmmm. Maybe the CK20 & CK30 really do hit the sweet spots in the market. I think I will continue to disagree with some people about the CK25 because it just doesn't seem like a good compramise or a good value based on the implements it can utilize properly. So I think the price bump to the CK30 is justified, even if $1500 spread seems to be a rip off.
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<font color="red"> As to picking the brand first, I was just asking about how each of the Kiotis would do for my needs since I don't know anything about them. I posted on the Kioti board so I had to ask about Kiotis. I have looked and looked at the other brands between 20 - 35 hp and was hoping to find big $$$ savings by leaving the Japanese brands. Not going to happen based on the dealers I spoke to today. You save some money and you get more features, but I would lose some things too like peace of mind that first year and some resale value. </font>
All tractor brands have good and bad dealers. I would stay away from a bad dealer no matter what brand. As for saving money with Kioti, that seems to be regional, in some areas they are a relative bargain, in other areas they seem to be priced very close to some of the other name brands. I have no idea about your area and how the pricing runs there. I really would not worry about resale value with a Kioti, I think you will find that it would be pretty strong. The brand is pretty well known and is growing in recognition as a quality product so resale value will very likely not be any issue. I think Kioti is in the market today where Kubota was about 10 or 15 years ago. And Kioti is helped by the modern CK class tractors, while I believe Kubota is hindered by their old style appearance, although they are due to announce some changes in their upcoming dealer meeting a few weeks from now, so Kubota may be moderinzing their looks very soon? Also, I don't know why you would lose piece of mind with a Kioti during the first year unless your local Kioti dealers are not quality-full service dealers. If the local guy is not a good dealership, then you have the choice of going farther away (if you consider that a viable option) or going to a different brand. Personally I won't go far from home, I want a local dealer who will have a fully stocked parts department and a well trained service area, but again, that is just me.
Good luck with your decisions.
All tractor brands have good and bad dealers. I would stay away from a bad dealer no matter what brand. As for saving money with Kioti, that seems to be regional, in some areas they are a relative bargain, in other areas they seem to be priced very close to some of the other name brands. I have no idea about your area and how the pricing runs there. I really would not worry about resale value with a Kioti, I think you will find that it would be pretty strong. The brand is pretty well known and is growing in recognition as a quality product so resale value will very likely not be any issue. I think Kioti is in the market today where Kubota was about 10 or 15 years ago. And Kioti is helped by the modern CK class tractors, while I believe Kubota is hindered by their old style appearance, although they are due to announce some changes in their upcoming dealer meeting a few weeks from now, so Kubota may be moderinzing their looks very soon? Also, I don't know why you would lose piece of mind with a Kioti during the first year unless your local Kioti dealers are not quality-full service dealers. If the local guy is not a good dealership, then you have the choice of going farther away (if you consider that a viable option) or going to a different brand. Personally I won't go far from home, I want a local dealer who will have a fully stocked parts department and a well trained service area, but again, that is just me.
Good luck with your decisions.
