choosing between a used with no DPF and newer with DPF

[ishiboo]

There's really no such thing as 0% on a tractor. Ask them for the cash price and you'll see they've just built the cost of financing into the price you're paying. The dealers in all of the brands when I was shopping were about $3k more for the "0%" financing option.

That's not always true. When I bought my Kioti, you are exactly right... you either got the majority of the incentives OR 0% financing. The incentives equaled about a 5-6% loan on the term.

This time around shopping for a sub-compact, both Deere and Kubota's incentives are nearly the same as cash. Deere is $200 higher but the dealer is eating it, Kubota is the same... if they are higher the dealer is eating that too.

With all the incentives, Kioti priced themselves out of a sale. They're $2600 more if you take 0% for 60 on a $20,000 tractor.

 

[grm61]

Hey all,

Still trying to choose a tractor...need something in that 40 to 50hp range with a loader. Doesn't have to be hydrostat but needs 4wd.

I have a 66 gas 4020...would like to sell to get to one tractor....but if keep it, could get by with something in the 25 to 30 hp range. Long story short, I can make anything work and will be happy...I need a loader but ideally, I'd like only 1 tractor that doesn't need worked on just to get started. here are scenarios I'm considering:

scenario 1:
sell my 4020 for about 6.5K. Buy a new MX5800 for right at $30K with 0 financed. This would do all things I need and then some. My concern here is DPF. I typically will only work the tractor a few hours at a time, once or twice per week, with various stints of longer use. My concern is having to maintain and then at sometime replace that dpf for 3k.

Scenario 2:
keep or probably sell my 4020 and buy a used 2010 L4240 for about $18.5K. this L4240 has no DPF, but has weighted tires and about 1100 hours on it. $18.5 is lowest I can get seller. I could probably make this 1 tractor work...might a bit small for my 7ft mower though and require a different mower.

Scenario 3:
Keep my 4020 and buy either a used L32xx Kubota...2014 32 hp with no DPF and low hours...like 50 or less..like new condition. OR buy a new L2501 with no DPF at all. My concern here is if the smaller tractor will do the loader chores I have...which for now the heaviest would be filling in wash outs and creek banks with rip rap.

Would like to hear anyones opinion on these 3 scenarios and what you think. thanks!

WRT scenario 1 , i've priced also the MX4800 and MX5200. I lean toward the 5800 for the power, but also assuming it would run hotter and ultimately be more reliable with with regens...I could be wrong about that (probably am!)

I suppose someone will figure out a delete for home owner tractors, where the computer thinks everything is fine.

I drive truck, (dirt truck) for the last 7 years, current truck 2014 peterbuilt 525 cummins the only thing that goes wrong with it is emmisions related.

I used to be a tire guy on construction equipment for 30 years, mostly rental equipment, so I am familiar with the reliability of the mechanical motors.....fuel filters, oil changes, not much else.

That is why I bought my 2013 dk45SEHSt cab when I did, It has a throttle cable and a muffler, Injection and governor are mechanical....no after treatment, it has some electrical niceties, AC, 4x4 and pto operate via switch, they don't worry me much.

To the OP, I personally think my rig with 350 hours on it is worth at least 10k more than I paid for it.

I Don't need the headaches of a tier 4 final rig for home use, got enough challenges without that.

Good luck

 

[ovrszd]

ME TOO .....NEVER !!!
Yah think .....everyone?
My oldest son is 52, and his brother is 46.
They will inherit my old Fords, so..oo... I doubt that either of them will ever own a DPF tractor either.

Yes, everyone.

 

[backwaterdogs]

found another reasonable deal...19.5k on an L4250 with 700 hours + 1 rear remote. looks very clean.
thats probably the route I'll end going...but is between this tractor + 20k lighter bank account or a brand new mx5800 + potential of dpf problem, but arguably 'free' financing.

I can get that new mx5800 for right at 29k.

probably that l4240 is going to hold it's value better...but i'd plan to keep either one for a very long time.

Without a doubt, if the new mx5800 didn't have the potential for dpf that is route i'd go.

i do see where an outfit in UK has figured out how to delete the DPFs on these things...I suspect is a matter of time before it's common place to do so, but who knows.

and really, who knows how the DPFs will turn out long term??

The one bright side I find with the DPF and esp on hst, is it forces you to run the diesel how it should be run...maybe that ends up being better in the long run anyway..

 

[Turbys_1700]

It will be interesting to see where these emissions cost us owners in the future. I just traded a Tier 4 tractor utilizing a catalytic converter for a Tier 3 unit using an egr valve. Never had any issues with the Workmaster and don't expect any with the t4.75.

I would get the tractor that I wanted and go form there. Change is hard to accept but it is a constant.

 

[Jstpssng]

This type of discussion reminds me of the '70s, when auto manufacturers had to clean up their exhaust so started installing Cats, sensors, and eventually computers. A lot of people said "I'll just keep my old car running." Yet today's vehicles are so much more dependable than they were, and while I don't care for all of the bells and whistles, my back sure appreciates the better suspensions.

 

[ovrszd]

This type of discussion reminds me of the '70s, when auto manufacturers had to clean up their exhaust so started installing Cats, sensors, and eventually computers. A lot of people said "I'll just keep my old car running." Yet today's vehicles are so much more dependable than they were, and while I don't care for all of the bells and whistles, my back sure appreciates the better suspensions.

Yep.....

 

[deserteagle71]

This type of discussion reminds me of the '70s, when auto manufacturers had to clean up their exhaust so started installing Cats, sensors, and eventually computers. A lot of people said "I'll just keep my old car running." Yet today's vehicles are so much more dependable than they were, and while I don't care for all of the bells and whistles, my back sure appreciates the better suspensions.

Exactly! I would never trade my trouble free, maintenance free modern pickup for what I was driving in the mid-70s. Still remember having to do tuneups at least every 20,000 miles. Give the manufacturers a few years and I'm sure the diesels will become just as good...unless the EPA changes the rules again.

 

[Industrial Toys]

I'm kind of wondering what the poorer people will drive as far as vehicles? Historically, they always drove the richer people used cars. But the older cars will be unsustainable for reasons of repair cost.

No doubt vehicles have become more reliable. But when an F150 (I believe) needs a plug and you have to remove the body, that's just wrong.

 

[Jstpssng]

I'm kind of wondering what the poorer people will drive as far as vehicles? Historically, they always drove the richer people used cars. But the older cars will be unsustainable for reasons of repair cost.

No doubt vehicles have become more reliable. But when an F150 (I believe) needs a plug and you have to remove the body, that's just wrong.

I understand what you're saying; yet that plug only will get changed a couple of times in it's 200k mile lifespan. And that's just one of many maintenance items that's been reduced or eliminated.
I get a new company truck every 3 years; by then the old one will have >100k miles on it. About the only maintenance I have done is oil changes, tires, and maybe some front end or brake work as required. The time was that 100K was high mileage; now with average maintenance you can easily attain 200K+.