Choice: food or solar fields

[OzarkChris]

I'll pass, thank you.

Don't knock it 'til you've tried it. Many places down in Mexico have "Huge" Filets, 99% are horse.

 

[OzarkChris]

Ah, Soylent Green..............

I know I've used this before, but...

 

[OzarkChris]

There are large solar farms within 10 miles of where I live. They are about 100 acres each. The farms and ranch lands aggregate in the tens of thousands of acres. A little perspective. They are also producing cheaper electricity than the older coal plants (now closed) used to produce. So let’s disregard the climate model discussion. The power is cheaper and cleaner.

"So let’s disregard the climate model discussion. The power is cheaper and cleaner."

This may be so; however, when you consider the costs involved with production (especially when several of the elements required to produce PV's are primarily available only from China, etc), AND disposal is it "Actually" cheaper and/or "cleaner"? Green activists seem to like to forget about those kinds of things. Sort of like the wind folks that say it's "Okay" that they kill 100's if not 1000's of bald eagles - yes, that same bird that if I "accidently" hit/kill just one on the farm would see me in jail with huge fines - because it's for a "Better" (greener) cause.

 

[OzarkChris]

The essence of zoning is to protect a homeowner/landholder from a person or persons erecting or using lands in a non conforming way. Without zoning, you could have a 300 grand home with a trailer next door and that destroys the value of the 300K place. zoning is all about protecting the value of property and housing.

Gee I guess that doesn't work in reverse way though. We have what I could only call one if them "McMansions" up the road a piece. Really looks ugly, at least 3x the size of an average home site 'round here (probably 10x bigger than most of us here).

I'm not faulting them spending money, but I DO fault them for expecting/demanding crap that they had in that "big city" that they just "had" to leave. Seriously, they can't understand why we do NOT want street lights, non-volunteer fire departments, police departments (the sheriff is just fine, thank you very much), more paved roads, grocery stores, Uber, etc, etc out here. I guess what I'm trying to say is, if you want the services provided by the big cities, fine, stay there. We don't need/want that crap, nor do we want the taxes that come with those services. Unfortunately, those services, also usually come with crime, gangs, etc, etc.

 

[OzarkChris]

You should take a look at a USDA agricultural production annual report. Hundreds of thousands of acres of grain and legumes are grown annually for the export market and biofuels. This country produces far more food than we consume. I don’t like seeing farmlands converted to industrial or residential uses either, but not out of fear of famine. That is simply not likely.

Unfortunately, man can NOT live on grains & legumes alone! Ask any physician (that hasn't drunk the kool-aid) how many "Vegans" they've had to tell they needed to start eating animal protein if they ever planned to get well.

 

[OzarkChris]

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We are drilling for petroleum products at a record pace. Stop stating contrary information.

U.S. crude oil production forecast to rise in 2022 and 2023 to record-high levels - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

This may be true, but with the unknown coming from this administration and the idiots now with the EPA, most oil companies can't justify the risks involved with long term production (necessary for profits).

 

[OzarkChris]

While it might seem that there's a lot of sugar grown in the Florida, total U.S. sugar cane production is small potatoes.

Who grows sugar cane?

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Who eats the most sugar?

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Again, this may be true, but an awful lot of sugar in the states is produced from beets.

 

[Jstpssng]

This may be true, but with the unknown coming from this administration and the idiots now with the EPA, most oil companies can't justify the risks involved with long term production (necessary for profits).

Drilling and pumping is one thing. I believe that what we lack is refining capacity, which takes more time to plan and implement than putting in an oil rig. If I am wrong it wouldn't be the first time, however.

 

[DutchInNZ]

Energy is not restricted to heating only; that is only a small part of the world's and nation's energy packet. In the whole it is electricity that is required for the big major part, and water of 80C (175F) does not make any of that.

Heat is energy. It can be converted to other forms like Electricity.

I seem to have missed the latest development in generating electricity from lukewarm water; can you please tell me where I can find how that is done so that I can bring my knowledge up to your level?

 

[5030]

Don't knock it 'til you've tried it. Many places down in Mexico have "Huge" Filets, 99% are horse.

I've heard it's good and I eat wild game all the time, including squirrel and ground hog (you have to know how to prepare ground hog properly and if you do, it's quite good actually. I would imagine it's good most horses (except the wild range ones) lead a pretty sheltered and well fed existence, consequently, the meat would be fine grained and tender and without excess fat content, probably on par with Elk, which I also eat regularly, in fact I rate Elk meat tops. Have eaten bear as well. Nine in my freezer however. One of my renters went on a Canadian bear hunt some years back and had a bear BBQ and I had some of that. Not bad. Was a tad greasy but when you BBQ it, it cooks most of the grease out.

Never had it but not adverse to sampling it. My issue with eating it is probably mostly because my wife raised draft horses and I'd think about 'Old Betsey' cutting into a piece.

 

[kenmbz]

If you have ever had Carne, or Steak, where it does not say beef or pork in the description. It is probably horse or kangaroo. Fast food places don't need to be specific as long as it is grade A USDA inspected.

 

[Egon]

Working fluid and heat differential is all that is required.

 

[Egon]

Ottawa storm 2022: Manotick man powers neighbourhood with 'microgrid' house

Home power system helps neighbourhood out after storm damaged electrical supply.

 

[OzarkChris]

I've heard it's good and I eat wild game all the time, including squirrel and ground hog (you have to know how to prepare ground hog properly and if you do, it's quite good actually. I would imagine it's good most horses (except the wild range ones) lead a pretty sheltered and well fed existence, consequently, the meat would be fine grained and tender and without excess fat content, probably on par with Elk, which I also eat regularly, in fact I rate Elk meat tops. Have eaten bear as well. Nine in my freezer however. One of my renters went on a Canadian bear hunt some years back and had a bear BBQ and I had some of that. Not bad. Was a tad greasy but when you BBQ it, it cooks most of the grease out.

Never had it but not adverse to sampling it. My issue with eating it is probably mostly because my wife raised draft horses and I'd think about 'Old Betsey' cutting into a piece.

You are correct, Ground hog is great - opossum too, but only if you prepare it right (remove that pesky scent gland under pits) - BTW, the ground hog gut makes extremely good bow string too. I was raised in AK so we pretty much survived on wild game & fish. Bear fat when rendered, makes the absolute best pastries - really light & fluffy. Squirrels 'round here are to small to mess with unless you are really hurting (less meat than a dove).

 

[OzarkChris]

Drilling and pumping is one thing. I believe that what we lack is refining capacity, which takes more time to plan and implement than putting in an oil rig. If I am wrong it wouldn't be the first time, however.

Totally agree, but when was the last time the powers to be "allowed" a new refinery permit. I might be wrong, but I don't recall any new ones coming on-line in the past 20 some years.

 

[kenmbz]

They moved the taxation on oil to where the product is "sold" and that is at the refinery.
So no US taxes if you refine offshore!
Who wants to open new refineries if it leads to high taxation on US soil,
Our government at work, moving profits offshore.

 

[MossRoad]

Totally agree, but when was the last time the powers to be "allowed" a new refinery permit. I might be wrong, but I don't recall any new ones coming on-line in the past 20 some years.

Several have come on line in the last 20 years.

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

 

[jyoutz]

This may be true, but with the unknown coming from this administration and the idiots now with the EPA, most oil companies can't justify the risks involved with long term production (necessary for profits).

Oil companies are now set up with leases and production plans for the next decade. Record and near record production is planned and expected. Everything else is political noise. Industry sees record profits and will continue achieving this.

 

[jyoutz]

Unfortunately, man can NOT live on grains & legumes alone! Ask any physician (that hasn't drunk the kool-aid) how many "Vegans" they've had to tell they needed to start eating animal protein if they ever planned to get well.

Yep. And much of the year round vegetable production is in the southwest and west coast; places that are currently affected by droughts. Unless the Midwest and northern areas start constructing greenhouses, we will continue to import a lot of fruits and vegetables from Mexico, Central America, and South America. Or just have fresh produce during the summer.

 

[MossRoad]

Yep. And much of the year round vegetable production is in the southwest and west coast; places that are currently affected by droughts. Unless the Midwest and northern areas start constructing greenhouses, we will continue to import a lot of fruits and vegetables from Mexico, Central America, and South America. Or just have fresh produce during the summer.

Additional 100 acre green house.

Pure Green Farms growing indoor farming operation

Another 100 acres is being developed for indoor farming for a total investment of around $100 million, making it one of the biggest investments for the area in the past 20 years.

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