The De-industrialization of America

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Was reading another TBN thread about the USPS and members love/hate relationship with it. Made me remember this e-mail sent to me by my father, author unknown.

Like anything you read, this is not 100% - but some of these changes may very well happen.
Make sure you read this and then the following article: The de-industrialization of the US

Administrator, there is nothing political about this!.
It simply points out very probable changes that are in our future.
CHANGES ARE COMING ---- Whether these changes are good or bad depends in
part on how we adapt to them. But, ready or not, here they come!
1. The Post Office. Get ready to imagine a world without the post office. They
are so deeply in financial trouble that there is probably no way to sustain it long
term. Email, Fed Ex, and UPS have just about wiped out the minimum revenue
needed to keep the post office alive. Most of your mail every day is junk mail and bills.
2. The Check. Britain is already laying the groundwork to do away with checks by
2018. It costs the financial system billions of dollars a year to process checks. Plastic
cards and online transactions will lead to the eventual demise of the check. This plays
right into the death of the post office. If you never paid your bills by mail and never
received them by mail, the post office would absolutely go out of business.
3. The Newspaper. The younger generation simply doesn't read the newspaper. They
certainly don't subscribe to a daily delivered print edition. That may go the way of the
milkman and the laundry man. As for reading the paper online, get ready to pay for it.
The rise in mobile Internet devices and e-readers has caused all the newspaper and
magazine publishers to form an alliance. They have met with Apple, Amazon, and the
major cell phone companies to develop a model for paid subscription services.
4. The Book. You say you will never give up the physical book that you hold in your
hand and turn the literal pages. I said the same thing about downloading music from
iTunes. I wanted my hard copy CD. But I quickly changed my mind when I discovered
that I could get albums for half the price without ever leaving home to get the latest
music. The same thing will happen with books. You can browse a bookstore online and
even read a preview chapter before you buy. And the price is less than half that of a real
book. And think of the convenience! Once you start flicking your fingers on the screen
instead of the book, you find that you are lost in the story, can't wait to see what happens
next, and you forget that you're holding a gadget instead of a book.
5. The Land Line Telephone. Unless you have a large family and make a lot of local calls,
you don't need it anymore. Most people keep it simply because they've always had it. But
you are paying double charges for that extra service. All the cell phone companies will let
you call customers using the same cell provider for no charge against your minutes
6. Music. This is one of the saddest parts of the change story. The music industry is dying
a slow death. Not just because of illegal downloading. It's the lack of innovative new music
being given a chance to get to the people who would like to hear it. Greed and corruption is
the problem. The record labels and the radio conglomerates are simply self-destructing. Over
40% of the music purchased today is "catalog items," meaning traditional music that the public
is familiar with. Older established artists. This is also true on the live concert circuit. To explore
this fascinating and disturbing topic further, check out the book, "Appetite for Self-Destruction"
by Steve Knopper, and the video documentary, "Before the Music Dies."
7. Television. Revenues to the networks are down dramatically. Not just because of the economy.
People are watching TV and movies streamed from their computers. And they're playing games
and doing lots of other things that take up the time that used to be spent watching TV. Prime time
shows have degenerated down to lower than the lowest common denominator. Cable rates are skyrocketing and commercials run about every 4 minutes and 30 seconds. I say good riddance to
most of it. It's time for the cable companies to be put out of our misery. Let the people choose
what they want to watch online and through Netflix.
8. The "Things" That You Own. Many of the very possessions that we used to own are still in our
lives, but we may not actually own them in the future. They may simply reside in "the cloud."
Today your computer has a hard drive and you store your pictures, music, movies, and documents.
Your software is on a CD or DVD, and you can always re-install it if need be. But all of that is
changing. Apple, Microsoft, and Google are all finishing up their latest "cloud services." That means
that when you turn on a computer, the Internet will be built into the operating system. So, Windows, Google, and the Mac OS will be tied straight into the Internet. If you click an icon, it will open
something in the Internet cloud. If you save something, it will be saved to the cloud. And you may
pay a monthly subscription fee to the cloud provider. In this virtual world, you can access your music
or your books, or your whatever from any laptop or handheld device. That's the good news. But, will
you actually own any of this "stuff" or will it all be able to disappear at any moment in a big "Poof?"
Will most of the things in our lives be disposable and whimsical? It makes you want to run to the
closet and pull out that photo album, grab a book from the shelf, or open up a CD case and pull out
the insert.
9. Privacy. If there ever was a concept that we can look back on nostalgically, it would be privacy.
That's gone. It's been gone for a long time anyway. There are cameras on the street, in most of the buildings, and even built into your computer and cell phone. But you can be sure that 24/7, "They"
know who you are and where you are, right down to the GPS coordinates, and the Google Street View.
If you buy something, your habit is put into a zillion profiles, and your ads will change to reflect those habits. And "They" will try to get you to buy something else. Again and again. All we will have that can't be changed are Memories.

Nineteen Facts About The Deindustrialization Of America That Will Blow Your Mind
The United States is rapidly becoming the very first "post-industrial" nation on the globe. All great economic empires eventually become fat and lazy and squander the great wealth that their
forefathers have left them, but the pace at which America is accomplishing this is absolutely amazing.
It was America that was at the forefront of the industrial revolution. It was America that showed the world how to mass produce everything from automobiles to televisions to airplanes. It was the great American manufacturing base that crushed Germany and Japan in World War II. But now we are witnessing the deindustrialization of America. Tens of thousands of factories have left the United States
in the past decade alone. Millions upon millions of manufacturing jobs have been lost in the same
time period. The United States has become a nation that consumes everything in sight and yet produces increasingly little. Do you know what our biggest export is today? Waste paper. Yes, trash is the number one thing that we ship out to the rest of the world as we voraciously blow our money on whatever the rest
of the world wants to sell to us.
The United States has become bloated and spoiled and our economy is now just a shadow of what it once was. Once upon a time America could literally out produce the rest of the world combined. Today that is no longer true, but Americans sure do consume more than anyone else in the world. If the deindustrialization of America continues at this current pace, what possible kind of a future are we going to be leaving to our children? Any great nation throughout history has been great at making things. So if the United States continues to allow its manufacturing base to erode at a
staggering pace how in the world can the U.S. continue to consider itself to be a great nation? We have created the biggest debt bubble in the history of the world in an effort to maintain a very high standard of living, but the current state of affairs is not anywhere close to sustainable. Every single month America goes into more debt and every single month America gets poorer. So what happens when the debt bubble pops? The deindustrialization of the United States should be a top concern for every man, woman and child in the country. But sadly, most Americans do not have any idea what is going on around them.

The following are 19 facts about the deindustrialization of America that will blow your mind....
#1 The United States has lost approximately 42,400 factories since 2001. About 75 percent of those factories employed over 500 people when they were still in operation.
#2 Dell Inc., one of America 's largest manufacturers of computers, has announced plans to dramatically expand its operations in China with an investment of over $100 billion over the next decade.
#3 Dell has announced that it will be closing its last large U.S. manufacturing facility in Winston-Salem , North Carolina in November. Approximately 900 jobs will be lost.
#4 In 2008, 1.2 billion cell phones were sold worldwide. So how many of them were manufactured inside the United States ? Zero.
#5 According to a new study conducted by the Economic Policy Institute, if the U.S. trade deficit with China continues to increase at its current rate, the U.S. economy will lose over half a million jobs this year alone.
#6 As of the end of July, the U.S. trade deficit with China had risen 18 percent compared to the same time period a year ago.
#7 The United States has lost a total of about 5.5 million manufacturing jobs since October 2000.
#8 According to Tax Notes, between 1999 and 2008 employment at the foreign affiliates of U.S. parent companies increased an astounding 30 percent to 10.1 million. During that exact same time period, U.S. employment at American multinational corporations declined 8 percent to 21.1 million.
#9 In 1959, manufacturing represented 28 percent of U.S. economic output. In 2008, it represented 11.5 percent.
#10 Ford Motor Company recently announced the closure of a factory that produces the Ford Ranger in St. Paul, Minnesota. Approximately 750 good paying middle class jobs are going to be lost because making Ford Rangers in Minnesota does not fit in with Ford's new "global" manufacturing strategy.
#11 As of the end of 2009, less than 12 million Americans worked in manufacturing. The last time less than 12 million Americans were employed in manufacturing was in 1941.
#12 In the United States today, consumption accounts for 70 percent of GDP. Of this 70 percent, over half is spent on services.
#13 The United States has lost a whopping 32 percent of its manufacturing jobs since the year 2000.
#14 In 2001, the United States ranked fourth in the world in per capita broadband Internet use. Today it ranks 15th.
#15 Manufacturing employment in the U.S. computer industry is actually lower in 2010 than it was in 1975.
#16 Printed circuit boards are used in tens of thousands of different products. Asia now produces 84 percent of them worldwide.
#17 The United States spends approximately $3.90 on Chinese goods for every $1 that the Chinese spend on goods from the United States.
#18 One prominent economist is projecting that the Chinese economy will be three times larger than the U.S. economy by the year 2040.
#19 The U.S. Census Bureau says that 43.6 million Americans are now living in poverty and according to them that is the highest number of poor Americans in the 51 years that records have been kept.
So how many tens of thousands more factories do we need to lose before we do something about it?
How many millions more Americans are going to become unemployed before we all admit that we have a very, very serious problem on our hands?
How many more trillions of dollars are going to leave the country before we realize that we are losing wealth at a pace that is killing our economy?
How many once great manufacturing cities are going to become rotting war zones like Detroit before we understand that we are committing national economic suicide?
The deindustrialization of America is a national crisis. It needs to be treated like one.
America is in deep, deep trouble folks. It is time to wake up. :2cents:
 
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One thing that is missing is that the very recent times the trend is slowing if not starting to turn around. There are a little ray of hope in that the increased cost of shipping has forced small manufacturing companies to begin moving back from overseas.

Also that what one of the biggest GDP deficit is due to Oil money going off shore to other countries (though not to china in this case.) I think the Oil number is someplace north of 45% of the TOTAL deficit on its own per year. Other countries such as some of the south American countries subsidize the gas/oil so that the people pay only pennies per gallon vs what we as USA people pay. We pay more in TAXES on a Gallon than they pay for the gallon of gas alone (go figure why so many factories left the shore. USA factories were booming in the 90's oil was in the teens per drum. Historical Crude Oil Prices Table historic chart there see the time nearing the end of the clinton admin it was 15 bucks a barrel then it began climbing as many many companies found the cheap labor and cheap shipping that they could make more money shipping product from over there to here & selling it. ALSO see this chart of GDP vs Oil prices http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6761/1812/1600/image_b.gif High cost of oil and lower GDP means too expensive to ship larger lower profit items form china back to here. So the trend (loosing factories to China) is no longer there (at the moment with high oil) as all the good paying jobs that MADE something are gone over there with our technology that made things happen on top of the fact that the EPA has pretty much regulated many many business segments out of existence with burdensome regulations that make it much harder for legitimate companies to compete. It really dont stop the dirty dumpers that fly by night, (mostly moved to south america or china where there are little to no regulations to prevent dumping of toxins of any & all types.) China is really starting to clean up this problem though as well as cracking down on the fly by night companies. Still the problems simply move to some other place. until the USA regulates how/when/where a person can bring into this country as an importer then the jobs will still be at risk of going elsewhere.

One other item not mentioned above was how union wages have really hurt the businesses on the competitiveness of manufacturing. It used to be a welder/electrician ect was paid a fair wage in the mid to large size companies and once the unions got into the frey the wage went up nice (making the product un-affordable to many,) and shipping the jobs overseas even more attractive.

Anyhow watch for the price of Food to climb rather quick in the coming months as the commodity prices have really jumped in the last 2 months. (wheat, corn, sugar ect are all up 2 or 3 times in a short period due to speculators (wall street) who are making the money.)

Mark
 
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I agree that this is non-political. I don't think it should be, I think the political people should be all over it, but none are. It's not just in the US either, it's all of the industrialized world.

I just wanted to address some of the points that I have some experience with though. I don't have any answers, so consider what I say to be a question no matter the punctuation.

2. The Check. Britain is already laying the groundwork to do away with checks by
2018. It costs the financial system billions of dollars a year to process checks. Plastic
cards and online transactions will lead to the eventual demise of the check. This plays
right into the death of the post office. If you never paid your bills by mail and never
received them by mail, the post office would absolutely go out of business.

Cheques (sorry about the spelling, but I'm Canadian) are basically a promisory note between individuals. If I write you a cheque, it's basically a promise to pay you. The banks make a little money off of it through service charges, but it bypasses most of the financial system. They really don't like that.

3. The Newspaper. The younger generation simply doesn't read the newspaper. They
certainly don't subscribe to a daily delivered print edition. That may go the way of the
milkman and the laundry man. As for reading the paper online, get ready to pay for it.
The rise in mobile Internet devices and e-readers has caused all the newspaper and
magazine publishers to form an alliance. They have met with Apple, Amazon, and the
major cell phone companies to develop a model for paid subscription services.


I think papers are just changing. What concerns me more is the concentration of ownership and the corresponding decline of variety of content/viewpoints.

Blogs provide some of that, but most bloggers lack journalistic training, fact checking, and access to official sources.

The end result is a press that isn't very free at all.
 
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It is funny how the union members are always the ones being blamed....I have been a union member for many years, and on the account of what everyone says we should be rich...The city I work for had privatized there wastewater system. That contract pays triple the overhead for what are water plant runs. :confused2: About the same amount of people work there. Now some one is making a big chunk of profit in the name of PRIVATIZATION. No union on that side.
Now I am not talking cost of electric, repairs, or testing, because that still is the cities responsibility. They also get there trucks replaced every2 years in agreement.:confused2: Us union members are quite content with our 10 year old vehicles, and some older.
I can not say I have it rough by all means, but I have made more money for the times in other areas that did not have unions. I always notice a lot of times the people who trash us by name of unions, seem to make more money then we do. Good example, just listen to the politicians,who are always blaming the union. Now I wish I was making that kind of money to blow a lot of hot air, be a pretty boy and always have clean clothes on.

Maybe start directing the problems on them instead of us.
 
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1. The Post Office.
I have used online bill pay for years. I can see services getting drastically reduced. For the most part I think they need to adjust their model, increase the bulkrates and leave the first class/letter rates alone.

2. The Check.
Electronic fulfillment will probably keep checks alive for some time. Banks just send each other images of the checks instead of the checks themselves. Many stores use the debit network to authorized the check right at the register... when it goes through they just hand your canceled check back to you.

Check fraud is the biggest reason check use has declined.

3. The Newspaper.
I have gotten my news online for many years now. We have the 'weekend only' newspaper plan and that is only for my wife to get the coupons :laughing:

4. The Book.
I have been reading e-books for years, since it became possible to do it on PDA's and so forth.

The biggest killer to e-books right now is the price, they are actually charging more for the electronic version than the paper version in some cases. Going to take a while for the industry to come around but e-book versions are becoming more and more prevalent. Having widely accepted readers and, more importantly, common formats, have been the biggest hurdles.

Try Project Gutenberg for free classics: Project Gutenberg - free ebooks online download for iPad, Kindle, Nook, Android, iPhone, iPod Touch, Sony Reader

5. The Land Line Telephone.
I have not had a personal land line in about 6 years, we all just have cell phones on the same plan so we don't consume minutes. This is massively more expensive than a single landline but way, way better.

I do have a landline for my home office but it is only used as a trunk line to our PBX for my office number to ring at my house. My $10/month no long-distance line ends up costing about $32/month after all the taxes, fees, etc etc are added in :confused2:

6. Music.
I have known music labels were in trouble ever since I got hold of software from Fraunhofer in the early/mid 90's that could encode mp3's.

As for music itself, I think it has been in trouble since the advent of massive music labels ;) These companies totally control what music makes it to your ears by controlling whats gets made into albums, what gets played on the radio, etc. With the internet at least small bands have a chance but getting your music to the mass market is a huge challenge and hence we still have music labels.

7. Television.
DVR and Netflix baby!

8. The "Things" That You Own.
There have been lots of tech ideas that never made it, I think cloud computing is one of them. With ever smaller, faster devices there is less and less impetuous to move the computing somewhere else. My Ipod Touch plays Youtube videos better than my desktop machine!

9. Privacy.
Absolutely people have less 'privacy' than they did before. For some things technology has simply made information more available. Like your property taxes, speeding tickets, any time spent in court etc. This was all public information before but harder to get than a few clicks on a keyboard. Overall I think people will become more cautious about what info they do give out.


Nineteen Facts About The Deindustrialization Of America That Will Blow Your Mind

I have mentioned on here before that in the 90's there were some books written by William Rees-Mogg and James Dale Davidson called 'The Great Reckoning' and 'The Sovereign Individual'.

'Reckoning' talked about cycles through history and how, soon, the U.S. would cycle out of the Industrial Age and into the Information Age. At the time they thought Japan would be taking over the Industrial part and become the next Super Power but turns out it was China.They talked about how military force is what traditionally has driven who is a Super Power and how that may change. Projection of that power has been key through history, how the stirrup gave 'Nobles' power because mounted knights were hard to knock out of the saddle. How gunpowder changed this equation because knights became sitting targets, etc etc. An interesting read just for that part alone.

'Sovereign' talks about the moves 'people who can' will make to move other states, countries, etc. to lower their tax burden, get better services for their money etc. As wealth moves out of the U.S. taxes will increase more and more for people who actually can pay them. This will drive people to move elsewhere, in particular 'information' workers who can work from anywhere.

I still have these books in storage, I should break them out and give them another read :thumbsup:
 
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1. The Post Office.
I have used online bill pay for years. I can see services getting drastically reduced.

I too have been doing online bill PAYING for years, but I do expect a paper bill in the mail.

I do not trust the reliability of electronic delivery, things get "lost in the Email". Besides, what happens if my computer crashes or gets a bad virus and I do not have Internet access for a couple of weeks?

Ken
 
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I too have been doing online bill PAYING for years, but I do expect a paper bill in the mail.

I do not trust the reliability of electronic delivery, things get "lost in the Email". Besides, what happens if my computer crashes or gets a bad virus and I do not have Internet access for a couple of weeks?

Ken

Right now I am the same way, I like to get the paper bills. However, the paper bills that come to you are pre-sort bulk rate.... part of the problem for the post office and not part of the cure. I could be wrong but it seems to me the PO has historically relied on the first class income stream while giving everyone else a discount. Email, fax etc killed them on first class letters and UPS, FedEx, DHL etc killed them on first class packages.
 
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I'm usually in the 'gloom-n-doom' corner when it comes to this, but there are some glimmers of hope out there. I work for a manufacturer (plastic molding), and we picked up about 20% this year. Our goal for 2011 is to increase business another 30%. We're considered a small company; 65 employees. The owner just went to a big meeting with Electrolux, who is looking to place a lot of work in the US. It seems they had a big operation in Juarez, Mexico. So many employees are being KILLED in drug and gang-related violence that they are pulling out. We regularly talk to potential customers who want their product made in the US.
 
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We regularly talk to potential customers who want their product made in the US.

Great! Good luck!

Now the bottom line question: Are we Americans, as shoppers, ready to drive past "Always Low Prices" WalMart and pay a little more for something made here in the U.S. than we are for the Chinese junk?

Ken
 
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"Absolutely people have less 'privacy' than they did before. For some things technology has simply made information more available. Like your property taxes, speeding tickets, any time spent in court etc. This was all public information before but harder to get than a few clicks on a keyboard. Overall I think people will become more cautious about what info they do give out."

Saw the CNBC special on Google the other night. I never really liked the fact that anyone can access a satellite image of my property and see the terrain, wood cover and location of my buildings,equipment and vehicles without my consent.

I also had no clue that their system saves every search done through their service, even if you erase your search history. They can recall every search or site visited by any user since the launch of the company. Due to the Patriot Act, the gov. can force them to provide access to those records if they feel the need. (And they have in several cases) So if your kid is doing research for a school paper on terrorism and googles Al Qaeda, don't get angry when "they" show up on your front door.:laughing:

The FCC's new mandate for internet providers to have "backdoors" that they can access to be able to monitor communication is scary too. Kind of like a wire-tap without the warrant!:confused:

I love the internet and the wealth of information available to everyone, I love being able to carry on a conversation with someone across the nation. (or world)

But I don't trust it. I don't online bank or pay bills online. I don't keep any financial or personal records on the computer I use to surf the internet. I don't use my personal debit card for anything other than local purchasing. I use a pre-paid "green dot" visa card for anything purchased online. That way if someone intercepted that info, the damage is minimal at best.

I'm gonna cover my A## as best I can. Work too hard for my little bit to allow some guy in Russia or Nigeria to empty my accounts and destroy my credit. I'm not paranoid at all, but it's done every day, all over the world. All it takes is one wrong click and "poof" you're infected with a keystroke virus.:mad:
 
 
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