Chinese digger recommendations

[Advil]

The reason tractors get more lookers is price, if I could have had a good skid for 20k i'd have a skid. A skid is so much more versatile imo. On a property like mine a good skid and a quality mini-ex would be a game changer but unfortunately I can't swing that 150k coin.

Bingo. Tractor and 1 ton mini plus a large list of implements for both all in for less than the cost of just a decent used skid only. Our property could use more, but 4x the cost isn't in the cards right now.

 

[doc70]

Fingers crossed!! Got a offer from Kamran motors out of Chi town on a two ton and couldn't refuse. Made a couple offers to machineryasia and they didn't come close to Kamran.
Got a chance to get out and look at a couple of Shantui Se17's yesterday and they looked really nice, not the price though. The guy I talked to would not come off his 24k price even though I found where he bought them at auction for 18.

 

[Carl_NH]

Kamran and Typhon Terror XVII are the same machine- showing at 11,600 for the Typhon - I think machinery asia is the same as exavatorusa and are connected to Typhon it seems. Kamran seems more of an importer of automotive stuff.

Yes the auction machines are going pretty cheap - but fees 10-15% and shipping is another $1K so an 18K unit is $20K cost. plus transport.

 

[dieselscout80]

If you have a few projects around tge homestead and planned to sell the machine afterwards, what would it cost to rent or contract out the work? $5k buy a a lot of work with no headaches

Sine 2009 I have rented a mini X at least three times with the latest to dig a french drain about 120' long.

This last one was about $600 for 24 hours from Home Depot (Kubota u17) and the others have been less.

In other words, I have say less then $2K in rental fees and ZERO maintenance cost other than filling the fuel tanks.

I could have used one three more times and been less than the cost one. When I look at the valve bank on one the maintenance/repair cost spook me.

 

[Carl_NH]

Doc70 just curious what the offer was from Kamran - as I contacted them a while back and couldn't get them to reply. If they are selling for under $11K for the 4000LB unit with thumb delivered that would be a good deal.

 

[doc70]

11,2 four hundred less than MA and a lot less anyone else I could find. Got a call a few hours after my order asking about unloading and extra attachments, picked up a rake. unfortunately they were out of rippers. Hopefully i'll get a call soon that it's on the road. Most reviews I read said they got the machine in 3 to 5 days.

 

[doc70]

I do understand the rent vs buying. So far I have three big jobs for it and I can think of a hundred little things. For instance my fire pit is about four ft. deep because I have hated the thought of digging it out with a shovel and I have a engine hoist that needs to get from the garage down to the loafing shed. Trust me the list goes on and on.

 

[drawthree]

Fingers crossed!! Got a offer from Kamran motors out of Chi town on a two ton and couldn't refuse. Made a couple offers to machineryasia and they didn't come close to Kamran.
Got a chance to get out and look at a couple of Shantui Se17's yesterday and they looked really nice, not the price though. The guy I talked to would not come off his 24k price even though I found where he bought them at auction for 18.

I purchased my mini-x from Kamran and had a great buying experience. I too got an offer on a machine I was watching and made a counter offer I never expected them to accept. But then they did accept it. So I had to tell my wife I bought an excavator.

 

[Carl_NH]

11,2 four hundred less than MA and a lot less anyone else I could find. \

Doc - that's a great deal on 2 Ton, Kubota diesel, Hyd cooler, dual pumps, pilot controls and thumb!

Last week at auction, the Machpro 15 or 16 as it was listed with cab (2400LB machine) with Kubota engine went for $7300 plus fees, or $8300 OTD. Essentially its the same as the B&S version with direct valving as the 1 ton units.

 

[doc70]

Drawthree, Great to know you had a good experience with kamran, makes me feel a little more at ease.
Funny about the wife thing, I've been talking about it for awhile and today told her about the purchase. needless to say, I'm still married. lol

 

[sheder]

Welcome to TBN Doc70 - also add your general region of the country/state helps to suggest places to look at these machines.

I've been doing a similar comparison over the last few months and most of these machines are from the Shandong area of China. Some make the entire machine, others make some parts, but buy and assemble components. There are a few posts here on guys importing direct via Alibaba too.

What I have found is there are 3 classes/sizes - 1 Ton (8-900KG) 2 Ton (1800KG) and then you get into 2.5-4 ton machines which is what typically were the "mini ex" market over the last 10 years.

For the money the 1 tons are very capable - and you can find them at auctions for $4-6K today, They aren't meant to dig a big stump or do commercial work, but for small jobs a good choice. These machines have common parts and no electronics, so can be simple to fix. The bigger machines with two stage pumps and oilot controls have a bit more complexity.

I want something bigger/more capable, and seems the 2 ton machines with the pilot controls, two stage pump, oil cooler, filter etc. like the Typhon XVII are a good deal - they have an office in CA - but its mostly an import office I believe.

Then another importer is AGT in Chicago where a lot of the 1 ton and larger machines are sold and they also stock parts and seem to be pretty responsive. One machine they sell is the CFG-STE 35SR - its a 6200Lb Yanmar powered machine built by Shantui (who also makes other mini ex for big names) and they also make big construction machines. This unit is $25K so double the cost of the 2 ton - but the fit and finsih on the Shantui looks very good and reviews from owners agree.

Then you can look at Kymron (Texas)and Groundhog (PA) - they are importers based in the US that spec out a specific feature set to the China builder and import them, they check them out and do some mods/final assembly and deliver and warranty the units. They are in it for profit, so they will be 15-20% higher than auction prices,but offer peace of mind to those that don't want to either buy via Alibaba, or at auction (no warranty).

Just joined here after reading some threads on the cheap mini ex's. I started looking for a used name brand mini ex for some projects around my 5 acers in the 20k price range but everything I have found has been high HR clapped out junk and don't want to inherent someone else's problem.
I started looking at the one ton machines with the briggs and then that progressed to the two ton machines with the Kubota motors. I have not been looking for long but there seems that there is so little info on any of these machines from any maker or distributor. The one model that I have been looking at is the typhon xviii 2 ton with kubota D722 from a company on Ebay called Machineryasia. At 11,6 shipped it doesn't sound like a bad deal but spending that kinda money sight unseen kinda turns my stomach. Was wondering if anyone has had any experience with the brand or distributor? Any recommendations on where to look and brands?
First project will be about 150ft of french drain and I own 5 heavily wooded acres so a machine like this will get well used.
Thanks for any replies.

I have ordered and paid for the typhon 4000 xv11. Usaex.calif
It gas 722 Kubota but I was not aware of the 2stage pump ...there seems to be no information available...

 

[sheder]

I agree, for me stepping up to 18-26 is a looong stretch especially for something thats just going to be used around the homestead. 11,800 might be something I can justify although just seeing what these guys are doing on the smaller gas burners has me wondering what I really need.

I paid 11800 tax and all Wisconsin to the door.. wont get it till june 1 ...paid 3 15 paypal.. usaexcav...the reviews said got it in twelve days ect.. with hyd.thumb.. the selling points diesel bigger thumb cheap.
I looked for two more weeks trying find any specs so i wrote the following... some one here said dual pump?

I was going to buy accessories then I looked at flow rates for the auger ....I know nothing about this machine. Could I get specifications What are dimensions?

I have looked tried to find forums there is absolutely no information about this machine. I looked on your links nothing...what pump ? what motors? What filters ? What are dimensions? If I have a bad roller have I just bought a paper weight. Spare parts?

 

[D'oh]

Amazon.com

There is lots of info on the 4000 XVII if you Google it.

18+8 L/min and such.

Most parts are available if you know what to look for.

 

[Carl_NH]

There are a number of these Typhon and 4K machines/owners reviews on FB Chinese Excavators And Mini Skids - Mods And Reviews

Also most of these machines are built with standard materials and you can get replacement parts if needed with US parts.

You should plan to add a drive motor protector plate with 2" receiver hitch is a nice addition (see that on FB too) then change the fluids and filters in the first hour or so of operation.

 

[Carl_NH]

I just pulled the trigger on a Terror XVIII 4000LB from USAExcavator yesterday for $11200 including the quick hitch and screening bucket - thought that was a good deal. I tried to get a deal on the Typhon X2 machine a 5000LB unit but the attachments were expensive.

Havent gotten delivery info yet, but did get the manual in PDF - not a lot of info in the manual but better than nothing. Going to order a drive motor protector from Imported Mini Excavator Parts once it gets here. Let me know when you guys get yours and your experience.

 

[Mej13579]

I did the same thing this weekend. I ordered a terror XVIII. A 2 ton excavator delivered to the house for 11200, you can’t beat it for the price.

 

[WalleyeJoe]

I just pulled the trigger on a Terror XVIII 4000LB from USAExcavator yesterday for $11200 including the quick hitch and screening bucket - thought that was a good deal. I tried to get a deal on the Typhon X2 machine a 5000LB unit but the attachments were expensive.

Havent gotten delivery info yet, but did get the manual in PDF - not a lot of info in the manual but better than nothing. Going to order a drive motor protector from Imported Mini Excavator Parts once it gets here. Let me know when you guys get yours and your experience.

I’m curious to how you like it. I’m looking at the same thing with the cab(ac and heat). Any feedback is greatly appreciated. Not much for reviews other than FB out there that I can find. Thanks again

 

[WalleyeJoe]

I’m curious to how you like it. I’m looking at the same thing with the cab(ac and heat). Any feedback is greatly appreciated. Not much for reviews out there that I can find. Thanks again

One other question? Does anyone know the lift capability of these machines. I’m looking at getting bentonite clay delivered ( to line the pond I’m going to dig) and the sacks of bentonite weigh 3000 lbs. probably too much for this to lift off semi flatbed? Probably going to have to use a forklift. Thanks

 

[Carl_NH]

Walleye Joe - no to lifting 3K maybe 1200-1500 lbs max close up and near the ground - and mine wont be here for another 4-5 weeks but there is a quite a bit of info if you look up Hightop HT18 who makes these.

The machines weigh total about 3500-3600 lbs so you can expect them to lift about half their weight. The specs are 18KN of bucket digging force at best or 3800 lbs - basically the weight of the machine equals the bucket digging force.

For the price they are decent machines but not commercial duty every day, but for occasional use 40-80 hours a year probably fine.

Bottom line for what you are looking for, the CFG STE 35SR with a cab and hear at $26K and 6100lbs with a Yanmar is your better option. Look it up - AGT in Chicago sells these and they are solid machines made by Shantui who builds them for Kobelco too.

 

[4570Man]

One other question? Does anyone know the lift capability of these machines. I’m looking at getting bentonite clay delivered ( to line the pond I’m going to dig) and the sacks of bentonite weigh 3000 lbs. probably too much for this to lift off semi flatbed? Probably going to have to use a forklift. Thanks

That would be a hard no for that size excavator. You’d need an 80 class excavator to preform that lift. I have a Kubota 40 and it will lift 3,000 pounds at a close radius but the capacity is much less at the height you’d need to unload a sack from a truck.