BX25 GrappleOmatic

[Artisan]

Next grab the extension cord w/ the male and female Deutch connectors on
it, then disconnect all 4 hydraulic quick disconnects that feed the FEL, BE
SURE to MAKE SURE you have relieved all pressure off your bucket and FEL
before you disconnect, go in a big circle to everything is relaxed.

I want to interject here that YOU are responsible for all installations and
YOU need to make sure everything you do is right AFTER you have checked
w/ a professional as to if my way is "right" or wrong. I simply show
how I did mine. Do your homework, do not try this at home! We are
trained professionals operating on a closed area. In other words, Caveat
Emptor ...

So making sure you send the correct end thru, grab the male deautch connector end
and grab all 4 hydraulic lines and feed the wire thru the Nylon Protective
Cover. I pulled the hydraulic hose up and rearwards at a 45 degree angle
and it was easy to fish the wire w/ the connector on it thru the mesh.

Now your up to the area where the rubber hoses turn into hard lines. Feed
the wire and connector thru that hole .

...and over to where were placing the Fasse valve on our mount. This is
where I think I might shorten the cable, I need to learn about Deautch
Connectors now, I think they are "serviceable" .

You can see here I have disconnected the curl hoses off of the curl cylinder.
You need to pull the pin on the FEL stand and make a little bit of room and
pull both hose up thru to the top, BE SURE to remember which hose
went where, top or bottom, on that cylinder, it should be like mine, the
90 degree connector went to the top of the cylinder or to the rear of the cylinder.
No need to replace nor to modify these OE hoses! Later you will
see , we use a straight -8 O-Ring Boss X -6 MJIC fitting for the 90 degree
hose end fitting into the Fasse valve and we use a 90 Degree -8 O Ring Boss X -6 MJIC fitting for the straight end hose. More on this later.

Connect the male and female Deautch connectors under the control stick and pull slack forward.

 

[Artisan]

The battery connector leads have a crimp hole that is way to big for us.
Get a couple of blue end connctors that just fit over the bolts in the
posative and negative battery connectors.
Cut off the Fasse OE connectors and install these. There is very little wire
here, in front of that fuse (needs to be longer) I stripped back
about 1/2" then folded the copper wires in half
and pinched it tight THEN I stuck that into the blue crimp connector, worked
good. Connect the red to the posative and black to negative. Just unscrew
the nut off the battery cable ends and slip the wires on. I might redo what I
am about to suggest at a later date but I rolled all the excess wire up and
telephone tied them and laid the 6" diameter roll of excess wires on top of
the battery and buttoned it up.

Here are the connectors I cut off the Fasse wiring harness (Big ones ) and
the blue new that fit the bolts .

Wires on top of battery, battery almst shoved home back into it's hole.

 

[CHDinCT]

Super good stuff Artisan. Anxiously awaiting the final assembly. I'm about 80% sure I'm going to do the same mod to my BX25. Spent most of yesterday cutting down trees and into 4'-6' sections to haul back to my wood pile. Used the BXpanded forks but still had to get off the tractor and maneuver the logs onto the forks most of the time. A grapple would have been heaven for my now sore back.

By the way, would love a pic of the new FEL handle with the new control button if you get the chance.

 

[Artisan]

It's coming Chris...

RE: the Deutsch Connectors, they are the DT Series
If you have never delt w/ them, like ME, then
you need to learn. Some stuff on U-Tube is OK, nothing like from the horses
mouth though. CLICK HERE and look for and review the DT SERIES video
and the WIRE STRIPPING AND CRIMPING video. (This is if you want to
shorten the wire connectors that come on the Fasse Push Button Grip)

 

[Artisan]

Chris, I am doing this in anticipatation of doing EXACTLY what you are doing
now, some day. I am posative it will be the perfect tool for the job. Of corse I have
other things up my sleeve I will use it for but log manipulation will be
EASY with this I am sure. I am wondering how good it will be at munching
down on a pile of split logs and movin' em around...

Everything is pretty much falling into place...I am very
excited as the fruits of my labors will materialize before long. I await
fittings... I blew the turn on some fittings and reordered and they have not
shipped yet. Err.................

 

[Artisan]

I am going to elaborate a little more on the Deutsch Connectors.

So the FASSE Push Button Grip ( #PBGRIP and Extension Cord) come with
the awsome Deutsch brand watertight connectors. They are high quality
stuff. If your like me, and if your going to want to cut off the excess wiring
so you do not have to loop it and hang it, and do a 1st class "Union"
job of it you need to learn how to manipulate these electrical connectors.
there spendy, cutting them off and installing anew is a waste and not
necessary. I see there is one caveat and that is you need a special tool
to do a crimp. At least so I see in the videos. basically you take the Deutsch
connector apart and cut off excess wire then crimp on a new "Pin" and
reinstall, it is the crimping that requires I believe an HBT-48-00 crimp tool.
I do not have any pins to see if this can be circumvented or not. If anyone has posative info please chime in.

I believe there are female and male pins as well. I am attempting at finding all the awnsers.

One Your Tube I found the videos that are on the manufacturers site, here
they are;

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX9rh2qGgKQ"]Deutsch Contact Crimping Instructions - YouTube[/ame]

Your dealing w/ a 2 pin DT Connector, I believe the tutorial is using a
triangle style but the moves are all the same. I did see where one teacher
highly recommends using di-electric grease when making these up, it certainly can't hurt, IMO.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWs_V2_KMqc"]Deutsch DT Series Connector Instructions - YouTube[/ame]


Stay tuned, Same Bat Time, Same bat Channel!

 

[bindian]

I am going to elaborate a little more on the Deutsch Connectors.

So the FASSE Push Button Grip ( #PBGRIP and Extension Cord) come with
the awsome Deutsch brand watertight connectors. They are high quality
stuff. If your like me, and if your going to want to cut off the excess wiring
so you do not have to loop it and hang it, and do a 1st class "Union"
job of it you need to learn how to manipulate these electrical connectors.
there spendy, cutting them off and installing anew is a waste and not
necessary. I see there is one caveat and that is you need a special tool
to do a crimp. At least so I see in the videos. basically you take the Deutsch
connector apart and cut off excess wire then crimp on a new "Pin" and
reinstall, it is the crimping that requires I believe an HBT-48-00 crimp tool.
I do not have any pins to see if this can be circumvented or not. If anyone has posative info please chime in.

I believe there are female and male pins as well. I am attempting at finding all the awnsers.

Artisan,
Deutsch connectors are like the connector plugs we use on aircraft. There are male and female pins. The male pins go in the plug and the female go in the socket, or reversed. The crimper for these pins needs to crimp all around to pin equally, or it will not go into the connector. Regular hardware store or auto supply store wire stripper/crimpers just crimp on two sides. These pins are small also, so they need the special crimper. You might check used aircraft wiring tools or avioinic tools with a google search for a cheaper pair.

These pins are small and threading that wire into the end without getting stray wires is for young eyes. Stray wires on the pin can stop the pin from locking into the connector. So be sure all wire strands are in the pin before crimping.
hugs, Brandi

 

[Artisan]

I am going to elaborate a little more on the Deutsch Connectors.

So the FASSE Push Button Grip ( #PBGRIP and Extension Cord) come with
the awsome Deutsch brand watertight connectors. They are high quality
stuff. If your like me, and if your going to want to cut off the excess wiring
so you do not have to loop it and hang it, and do a 1st class "Union"
job of it you need to learn how to manipulate these electrical connectors.
there spendy, cutting them off and installing anew is a waste and not
necessary. I see there is one caveat and that is you need a special tool
to do a crimp. At least so I see in the videos. basically you take the Deutsch
connector apart and cut off excess wire then crimp on a new "Pin" and
reinstall, it is the crimping that requires I believe an HBT-48-00 crimp tool.
I do not have any pins to see if this can be circumvented or not. If anyone has posative info please chime in.

I believe there are female and male pins as well. I am attempting at finding all the awnsers.

Artisan,
Deutsch connectors are like the connector plugs we use on aircraft. There are male and female pins. The male pins go in the plug and the female go in the socket, or reversed. The crimper for these pins needs to crimp all around to pin equally, or it will not go into the connector. Regular hardware store or auto supply store wire stripper/crimpers just crimp on two sides. These pins are small also, so they need the special crimper. You might check used aircraft wiring tools or avioinic tools with a google search for a cheaper pair.

These pins are small and threading that wire into the end without getting stray wires is for young eyes. Stray wires on the pin can stop the pin from locking into the connector. So be sure all wire strands are in the pin before crimping.
hugs, Brandi

Thank You Brandi! Looks like I get to loop the extra wires till I find the right
tool, morover for the right price. The cheapest I found it for was 217.00 on
ebay.

 

[Sackett2]

When do we test run it?

 

[bindian]

Thank You Brandi! Looks like I get to loop the extra wires till I find the right
tool, morover for the right price. The cheapest I found it for was 217.00 on
ebay.

Artisan,
That about sounds right. Too bad you don't live near Houston. We could borrow the hangar's crimper for a few hours.
hugs, Brandi

 

[Artisan]

When do we test run it?

I am LIVID at the folks whom have dropped the ball several times now
regarding shipping my wanted discounted hydraulic fittings. My disgust
grows by the second. I have this project but additionally I need other
parts and my tractor is down.

I placed an order Sunday explaining I needed my parts yesterday and that
my tractor is down. Here it is Thursday AND THE PARTS THEY HAVE IN
STOCK, STILL HAVE NOT SHIPPED. . .(of which are the ones I need )

I was sent an email 2 days ago telling me they were short a few parts and do
I want what they had in stock shipped. I replied instantly, YES SEND WHAT YOU HAVE...,
guess what? I should have had the parts today, tomorrow latest, but no,
there more interested in fullfilling other peoples orders obviously.

An almost 2 week delay this will turn into because they will go home and enjoy
their weekend instead of taking care of bad blood. I was offered the
chance to spend and extra HUGE amount of money to get the stuff faster,
so I
could pay more money, because they dropped the ball. THAT Erks me
more than anything, they should have forgot about all profits and
shipped overnight ON THERE DIME, but no....couldn't possibly do that now could we!

No One Gives a Darn
About Nothing Anymore, I am the last of my breed I think. If a client
contacted me and said they were "down" and needed assistence I would drop
whaterver I am doing and go help, AND I HAVE, more times than I can count.

 

[Artisan]

Here ya go Chris, pics of the Fasse push Button Grip, this could be used for
anything, a horn, any implement you want to send momemtary power to.
It is substancial, nice stuff! It comes w/ an adaptor for this installation that
is a nice part in and of itself! It is a square to round adaptor, the botton of
the PBGrip is square, this turns it into round for the BX25. I made
additional sleeve out of a piece of 1/2" Type "L" copper and drilled a couple of
holes so the set screws would work. It would be almost perfect if the sleeve
were cut from Type "K" copper and when I run into a piece I will make anew.

 

[Sackett2]

this thread may be my bible when I do the same on my rig. I understand your frustration and hope you can get this all back on the road soon...

 

[CHDinCT]

Artisan, thanks for the pic's. I now see how that set up will work for energizing / de-energizing the Fasse valve. Looks very ergonomic. So I take it the sleeve for the Fasse handle is a little too big for the BX FEL stick and you made up a bushing to adapt it. Good to know.

Sorry to hear about your shipping delay. I imagine it's frustrating to be so close to final assembly after all the weeks of planning and fabricating. I'm sure you just wanna' start that BX, drive over to a nice big log or rock, hit that 3rd function button and get'r done!! Soon enough, soon enough (we all hope :laughing

 

[bindian]

I am LIVID at the folks whom have dropped the ball several times now
regarding shipping my wanted discounted hydraulic fittings. My disgust
grows by the second. I have this project but additionally I need other
parts and my tractor is down.

I placed an order Sunday explaining I needed my parts yesterday and that
my tractor is down. Here it is Thursday AND THE PARTS THEY HAVE IN
STOCK, STILL HAVE NOT SHIPPED. . .(of which are the ones I need )

I was sent an email 2 days ago telling me they were short a few parts and do
I want what they had in stock shipped. I replied instantly, YES SEND WHAT YOU HAVE...,
guess what? I should have had the parts today, tomorrow latest, but no,
there more interested in fullfilling other peoples orders obviously.

An almost 2 week delay this will turn into because they will go home and enjoy
their weekend instead of taking care of bad blood. I was offered the
chance to spend and extra HUGE amount of money to get the stuff faster,
so I
could pay more money, because they dropped the ball. THAT Erks me
more than anything, they should have forgot about all profits and
shipped overnight ON THERE DIME, but no....couldn't possibly do that now could we!

No One Gives a Darn
About Nothing Anymore, I am the last of my breed I think. If a client
contacted me and said they were "down" and needed assistence I would drop
whaterver I am doing and go help, AND I HAVE, more times than I can count.

Artisan,
I had the same problem with my orders and express shipping. I did each stage of my installation so I could use the tractor. So my tractor is up, but it is too wet here to do anything!

I got tired of waiting for shipping, so I just started paying my local hyd. shop to overnight any fittings I need and they don't have. The price works out to be about the same when shipping is added in an online order.

My hold up has been Discount Hyd. Hose on the fittings I returned and wanted to use that credit for the purchase of reuseable fittings and bulk hose.
hugs, Brandi

 

[radioman]

I am LIVID at the folks whom have dropped the ball several times now
regarding shipping my wanted discounted hydraulic fittings. My disgust
grows by the second. I have this project but additionally I need other
parts and my tractor is down.

I placed an order Sunday explaining I needed my parts yesterday and that
my tractor is down. Here it is Thursday AND THE PARTS THEY HAVE IN
STOCK, STILL HAVE NOT SHIPPED. . .(of which are the ones I need )

I was sent an email 2 days ago telling me they were short a few parts and do
I want what they had in stock shipped. I replied instantly, YES SEND WHAT YOU HAVE...,
guess what? I should have had the parts today, tomorrow latest, but no,
there more interested in fullfilling other peoples orders obviously.

An almost 2 week delay this will turn into because they will go home and enjoy
their weekend instead of taking care of bad blood. I was offered the
chance to spend and extra HUGE amount of money to get the stuff faster,
so I
could pay more money, because they dropped the ball. THAT Erks me
more than anything, they should have forgot about all profits and
shipped overnight ON THERE DIME, but no....couldn't possibly do that now could we!

No One Gives a Darn
About Nothing Anymore, I am the last of my breed I think. If a client
contacted me and said they were "down" and needed assistence I would drop
whaterver I am doing and go help, AND I HAVE, more times than I can count.

I would've just looked in yellow pages for hydrualic shop and give them a visit. Theey would've had you all hooked up with parts you need.

 

[Harry in Ky]

I thought I was guilty of over engineering and over complicating my fabrication projects with too much attention to detail, but you bring it to a whole new level. All this just to put a button on a joystick? Isn't it amazing what some people will do once an idea sprouts and starts to grow. Looks good though, and at least the plumbing should be simple. Sounds like you're getting an education in hose and fittings as well as the welding, eh?

 

[Artisan]

I thought I was guilty of over engineering and over complicating my fabrication projects with too much attention to detail, but you bring it to a whole new level. All this just to put a button on a joystick? Isn't it amazing what some people will do once an idea sprouts and starts to grow. Looks good though, and at least the plumbing should be simple. Sounds like you're getting an education in hose and fittings as well as the welding, eh?

Oh do you ever know it Harry. I am learning everything I missed out upon
as a kid while I was flying airplanes and scuba diving and working my butt off
as a Journeyman Union Plumber and chasing Playboy models in Newport
Beach (Believe It) , again, as a kid, before the wife. I wish I had found much
of this stuff earlier in life especially my Harley FLTRI, but it is never to late...
Yes were learning hoses and fittings too. Welding is a hard one to learn
alone. I pick up tips here and there on YouTube, a formal teach, hands on,
would be nice. Someone to tell me if my Miller Vintage is performing correctly
as well would be nice. I don't know enough to know better. But were trying.
it sticks, I see penetration. I have made fittings mistakes, I expect, and hope, it will not happen again...:confused2:

...and yes, I have way of making things RIGHT!

...and no, not to put a button on a joystick, I need to move "a" log. :laughing:

 

[Artisan]

I thought I was guilty of over engineering and over complicating my fabrication projects with too much attention to detail, but you bring it to a whole new level. All this just to put a button on a joystick?
snip

PS, The responce time of my little Fasse Pushbutton switch inducing the coil,
that being the time it takes to switch between circuits, I am told, is less
than 100 milliseconds, or 1/10th of a second. On average it takes 300-400
milliseconds to blink your eyeballs! So put that in your overengineered
pipe and smoke it! :laughing: hehe

 

[Artisan]

And while we WAIT for our discounted fittings we chomp at the bit!

Here my mount for the the Fasse valve all gussede up w/ paint;