BX Competition

DAP · May 1, 2002

Anyone checked out this Ingersoll Machine? Obviously, an attempt at BX22 or 2200 competitive placement in the market. That's why I put this post here rather in the 'Other' section. I think here in NY it retails for about 11k. Thoughts? It's Kohler gas powered though.

Gomez · May 1, 2002

Is it a new machine or has it been around a while? Kind of reminds me of a terramite.
<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.terramite.com/t5c_price.htm>http://www.terramite.com/t5c_price.htm</A>

Does the 11K include the backhoe?

TresCrows · May 1, 2002

Those have been around for a while. You often see them for rent at Rental outlets and our local hardware store has one for rent. A year before I bought the BX I rented it for a day to clean up construction debris etc around the house. Trust me--it is no competition for a BX and not even sure a mower deck is avaialbe. In any case it is a rather crude machine, noisy with a lot of vibration and rather lacking in power and more than a bit clunky feeling---now this one is a good comparison to a Harley /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif ! J

Hoosier_Daddy · May 1, 2002

(now this one is a good comparison to a Harley.........)

Oh man TresCrows. You just had to say it didn't you...... Now this discussion will be filled with Harley stuff........
Tom

kbarrett · May 1, 2002

They look the same but they not. The 7000 series is relatively new. Terramites are what you find at
hardware store rentals etc.

<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.ingersoll-inc.com/7000series.html>http://www.ingersoll-inc.com/7000series.html</A>

If you check the specs, you will see that there is little comparison. Over 800lb capacity on the FEL is pretty good!

Having owned an Ingersoll before, I can attest that they do not make anything flimsy.

With that said, some of the other Terramite specs are pretty impressive as well.

Rick Jay · May 1, 2002

Doug,

Before I bought my B2910 (almost 2 years ago), I looked at both the Terramite (at a rental outlet) and a 6000 series Ingersoll (at a dealer).

Their "digging" power and specs might beat the BX22 and other tractors in that size. But for me, there was more to it than just spec. sheets.

Both companies appear to build very solid, heavy duty looking units. However, they looked very "industrial" and did not have the "good looks" of any of the regular compact utility tractors (Kubota, Deere, New Hollad, et al). They did have impressive loader and backhoe specs, but the rest of the unit looked rather crude. For a contractor or rental outlet, I think they probably would work very well, and perhaps even better than a normal CUT.

But for me, since they were in the same ball park pricewise as the tractors I was looking at, I wanted something that looked a bit more modern and something that would instill some real "pride of ownership". The Ingersoll and the Terramite just didn't "set my heart a flutter", so to speak.

Again, I don't want to take anything away from either unit. They appear to be very solidly built. They just weren't for me.

If they were substantially cheaper, I might have even been tempted, but I didn't see any real significant difference in prices when I was shopping.

Rick

DAP · May 1, 2002

I'm not swayed by appearances however, 11k for anything with a gas engine (though it was 4wd) is too much imho.

Anonymous Poster · May 1, 2002

The ingersoll is a far cry from the Kubota BX machines. The difference is structural engineering. One is a tractor the other is a yard machine.

kbarrett · May 1, 2002

I love the BX series from Kubota and personally prefer it. But calling an Ingersoll a yard machine is an interesting observation. You must be thinking of some pretty "tough" yard machines /w3tcompact/icons/shocked.gif

DAP · May 1, 2002

Frankly, if the Ingersol had a diesel, it would be competitive with the BX and priced well under it. Especially since prospective BX22 owners will find themselves waiting considerable times for their machines. The dealers round here can't keep them on the lot.

Rick Jay · May 1, 2002

Doug,

Are you sure of that $11k price? Is that just the tractor, the tractor & loader, or the tractor, loader and backhoe? When I priced the 6000 series 2 years ago, I think the tractor alone was in the $9k-$10k range. Loader was about $2500 and backhoe around $5k-$6k. The whole package wasn't much less than my B2910, when the diesel engine and 4WD were thrown into the mix for the Kubota.

My memory ain't what it used to be, but I think my recollection of the prices is somewhere in the ballpark.

Can anyone confirm the prices on the Ingersoll?

~Rick

DAP · May 2, 2002

I may very well be wrong about the price as I was viewing the tag from my truck. Thanks for the info!

TresCrows · May 2, 2002

Kevin, I think he was saying the BX was a "yard machine" and the Ingersol was a tractor. Again, the Ingersol whatever it was that I rented looked exactly like the one in the pic and was a very crude, rough, noisey machine. Yep, the loader worked fine in terms of power but was not at all smooth like the Kubota units and the backhoe--heck I had never used one of those before nor since. I was not at impressed with the "lawnmower" power plant. The thing is if these were less than a BX it might be worth looking at but they cost more I think. You know, come to think of it I am not sure it had a center PTO and it was not hydro either. J

jrlichina · May 2, 2002

The tractor loader version has a Cat-0 3-point hitch and has a hydraulic PTO that is used to operate serveral of the available attachments like the tiller, log splitter, chipper, rear finish mower, and a few others. The loader/backhoe verson is not designed to mow since it has no 3-point. These things have been around a long long time. They are ok if all you are doing is loader/backhoe work, a very basic machine. The BX is a much more refined machine. If you are interested in them here's the link: http://www.ingersoll-inc.com/7000series.html

mswanson · May 3, 2002

Last Summer I bought a used Ingersol 6000 loader tractor with a kwik way backhoe . It had 100 hours on it and I paid a little over half of what the original owner paid new for it. I would never have bought one new but since it was a good price and had a backhoe I went for it. Well, the backhoe dug quite well for the machine's size. But with no 4 wheeel drive the small loader wasn't worth much. I found that it just couldn't do the things that I wanted to do. I tried to sell it myself for a couple of months but nobody was interested so I traded it in for a new New Holland TC33D with loader and backhoe. They gave me most of what I paid for the Ingersoll towards the boomer. Now I can do more serioes projects. From what I saw the Ingersoll is a well made machine but I think it is old technology and somewhat overpriced. If you want a small hydraulic machine I would look at the power-tracs.

jrlichina · May 3, 2002

Here is another TLB if that's all you are interested in having. This machine has some pretty impressive load specs, very simular to the Ingersoll but a bit nicer.

http://www.pugpower.com/dig_it/tlb.htm