BX-24 too small for pulling boat (went in but wouldn't come out)
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radioman
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hmm, as my father says use your hydralics to get out of stuck places. i see he has his back hoe on. why not extend the backhoe as far it would reach and attach chain to nearest tree and curl in ? once he gets most of trailer out of water, i suspect he can move the boat after wards in more firmer ground. i agree with one of members to let about 5 pounds or so out of the tires to allow it to float on the sand to gain little more surface area for more traction. hope u dont bow the loader bucket any further then u have. 
workinallthetime
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if the issue is really just traction you might get some 6' sections of 9 gage chainlink fence, lay it over the sand and use it for traction. you would have to secure it in a few spots so it doesnt get balled up.
just a thought, has worked for me in the past and would be alot better looking than trenching that beautiful site.
just a thought, has worked for me in the past and would be alot better looking than trenching that beautiful site.
alchemysa said:
All 4 tires spin and dig in at about the same rate.
Just 2 feet earlier it could pull the boat out (but it was not deep enough for boat).
Like I said earlier, I bounced the FEL a bit and it had no tendancy to lift the rear at all. The weight on the back wheels is good. Maybe not perfect, but good.
The tires are good too. I was using the box blade in sandy gravel going up hill with a full box. The engine was starting to give out before the traction did.
I can turn on a dime on the lawn it it does no damage either. I couldn't be happier with tires.
I might try letting air out. I admit it's asking an awfull lot of this tractor to pull it out. It takes everything the jeep has to get it out. 4WD low with a running start.
My neighbor tried to get his 14ft aluminum boat out with his ford expedition. His expedition just digs in without the boat even attached.
alchemysa
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mswlogo said:
Sorry to disagree but the weight on the back is not 'good.' In fact I think its pretty obvious from the pics and the bend in the bucket that its very bad. especially when you are facing down hill like you are in the pics. I've got a tractor bigger than yours, with a backhoe, and it loses rear wheel traction when its just pushing into a pile of dirt with an empty bucket. You are trying to reverse uphill with the weight of a boat on your bucket! The back wheels are spinning because they have no weight on them. (By the look of it they are not even digging in.) The fronts are spinning because they are too small for sand. You have to turn it around. I don't care if you build a concrete slab under the tractor, you are not going to pull the boat out like this. Letting air out of the tyres won't help either.
Turn the tractor around. Get some weight on the back wheels. Back it in a bit further to break the trailer out of its hole if necessary . Then come out as fast as possible. (At an angle if necessary). If that still doesn't work, THEN you can resort to all those other creative suggestions.
I'm outa here now. Said my bit. Good luck.
offcamber
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I tend to agree with removing the BH and hook the trailer to the back of the tractor and try that. It won't cost you anything but time. You have a lot of weight on the bucket and its moving the center of gravity way forward on the tractor. So the BH is less effective as a counter weight. Thus you are not getting the best traction from your strongest pulling tires which are the rears. Give it a try if it doesn't work then try one of the other suggestions....its possible the tractor is just to small for that size boat.
Good Luck
Good Luck
RobJ
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alchemysa said:
I think it's even more simple than that. Trying to do to much with to little. Sand, water, sinking.
Downsize the jeep, upsize the tractor!
Blagadan
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Best logic I've heard so far!!!
"Honey, we need a bigger tractor, I just cant pull the boat out with that small little BX......"
**** YEAH!!!
I think that is the solution mswlogo is waiting to hear...?
just kiddin btw msw...
dangerdoc
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mswlogo said:The BX-24 appears to be strong enough, but the tires are just too small to grip the sand with this load. You can see in first photo the ratio of the tractor to boat and the pitch. In second photo you can see the bucket bending from the togue weight. I was really hoping I could downsize my Jeep.
I admit that I haven't read the whole thread but has anybody suggested getting some chain so you can pull from a level spot off of the sand?
fish6942 said:
Paynesforks.com - Clamp On Hitch Receiver
Be careful it does wiggle around a bit, I will eventuall pin it or something if I continue to use it.
alchemysa said:
Point taken. I appreciate your persistence in explaining. But I think you are reading too much into a static photo AFTER I filled the holes it dug on all 4 wheels so I could get an empty trailer out.
I don't want to attach it to rear (it's not free, I'd have to buy a hitch). I'll be REMOVING a lot of weight which I think is needed. Front wheels then will have no traction and are needed. I'll also have to back it quite a bit further in and there are vents etc. down there and I don't want to start sucking in water. So yes it may put more traction on big wheels but will cause other issues if I turn it around.
chucko
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Ok I did not read every reply so I don't know if this has been said or not.
put someone in the boat and start it and use it's motor to help put it out
put someone in the boat and start it and use it's motor to help put it out
chucko said:
Hmmm, someones thinking, really interesting idea but I care way more about my boat than the tractor and that is a little risky to boat. I have to think about that. It only needs that first 2 feet of inertia. Water pickup on boat is about half way up the boat, if it runs dry it will cook itself pretty quick. Be nervous with my wife doing tractor or the boat (in this situation). She normally drives the boat fine and won't touch the tractor.
Anders
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I don't know if the boat is still out there, but here's my take on it:
1: If you really want to use the fel to pull out, find a big rock to carry with the backhoe. You do have some kind of grapple on it, or is it just my eyes seeing things that are not there? Then fill fel with stones around the hitch. You will benefit from adding weight.
2: I guess this is my take on it, but I haven't been in your shoes, so what do I know...
Turn tractor. Keep backhoe on. Find a big rock to put in the Fel. And I mean as heavy as it can lift. Use wire or chain and attatch at the very bottom of the backhoe, deep down below any cylinders.
Weight is the key. Or at least that is what I'm thinking from sitting here looking at your pictures.
It might also very well be that the title of this tread is the truth about this.
Nice place, boat and tractor! I hope you get to use all of them.
1: If you really want to use the fel to pull out, find a big rock to carry with the backhoe. You do have some kind of grapple on it, or is it just my eyes seeing things that are not there? Then fill fel with stones around the hitch. You will benefit from adding weight.
2: I guess this is my take on it, but I haven't been in your shoes, so what do I know...
Turn tractor. Keep backhoe on. Find a big rock to put in the Fel. And I mean as heavy as it can lift. Use wire or chain and attatch at the very bottom of the backhoe, deep down below any cylinders.
Weight is the key. Or at least that is what I'm thinking from sitting here looking at your pictures.
It might also very well be that the title of this tread is the truth about this.
Nice place, boat and tractor! I hope you get to use all of them.
WayneB
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Keep the Jeep!
MacTractor
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chucko said:
Powerloading a boat is not a good idea. You will most likely end up damaging the boat. Remember, a trailier is meant to be pulled not pushed. Also, the water intakes will most likely draw up sand which can cause issues with your cooling system and judging by the pictures it is too shallow for this.
One idea may be to build a cradle with a skid on it to support the trailer tongue. They you can use a chain from more solid ground to pull the boat and trailer up.
The snow mobile tread issue will not work as they will most likely bunch up under this type fo stress.
Looking at your place and boat makes me miss mine.
alchemysa
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mswlogo said:
I wasn't going to comment again, but...
OK, you want to do this way, but if it was me I would at least try just once turning the tractor around to find out if its up to it. Surely there's a place on the back of the tractor to screw a tow ball. You are concerned about weight but the weight of the boat might compensate for the loss of the weight of the backhoe. Or maybe you can leave the backhoe on anyway. Can you swing it sideways and find somewhere to screw your hitch. It doesnt have to be dead centre. And if you back it in as I suggest you should be able to go in a fair way without getting anything other than the tyres wet.
I said earlier that it wouldnt help reducing tyre pressure in this situation (because you've already got fat tyres). I'll correct that by saying that reducing pressure in the BOAT tyres will help greatly. My boat tyres are as 'flat' as possible because, after retrieving the boat, I also have to tow it up a steep sandy track.
(Its worth pointing out that the only thing you are really trying to overcome in this whole excercise is that little hole that the trailer tyres are sitting in. Some big old extra wide tyres on the boat trailer will really make a difference.)
One last thing. If you insist on doing it your way you have to get the weight off the bucket (to give those back wheels a chance to work). To do this you need to be able to put the loader in 'float' position without your hitch etc dragging in the sand. Some rollers or fat wheels under the hitch might do it.
