Burying plastic culvert pipe

[Dusty]

They didn't build a resevoir to contain the water. They built the resevoir so the People of Worcester would have something to drink other than beer and wine. Not to mention wash their clothes and flush their toilets. The res area is my private rec area.

Now I know why Worcester water tastes so bad..

 

[AndyM]

Andy, My house is on the other side of the road and is dowhill about 5 feet from the road level..

I was referring to LB's property in this quote...

Why does the state need a 3 foot deep ditch across the front of my property when my yard is 3 feet below the paved surface of the highway ? ? ?
I don't see why a ditch is even neded there."

I thought his property ran up from the road.

 

[MikeD74T]

The traditional road right of way in New England is based on the old English roads standards, which are 2 rods wide. A rod is 17.5 feet. The measurement is take on the road center as the road is normally traveled.
Dusty

The road in front of my house is a 35' ROW, didn't know where that number came from. I do know that the road is not in the center of the ROW and is paved 2' from my side & about 6' from the other side, based on property markers. The road goes back to the 1700's. MikeD74T

 

[Egon]

JimR:

Without a doubt you must return to an institution of higher learning and obtain a Doctorate in Geo-technical Engineering with specific emphasis on Hydrology.

This course of course follows after you have passed your local State Bar and can specialize in Property Litigation.

 

[LBrown59]

The traditional road right of way in New England is based on the old English roads standards, which are 2 rods wide. A rod is 17.5 feet. The measurement is take on the road center as the road is normally traveled.
Dusty

Your property line runs to the center of the road.

 

[JimR]

Now I know why Worcester water tastes so bad..

I have never relieved myself in the res. LOL's Worcester water tastes so bad because their sewers are always backingup. I think the lines are connected. Ever swim in Quinsigamond?? You get the slimey feeling when you get out.

 

[JimR]

JimR:

Without a doubt you must return to an institution of higher learning and obtain a Doctorate in Geo-technical Engineering with specific emphasis on Hydrology.

This course of course follows after you have passed your local State Bar and can specialize in Property Litigation.

ROLMAO, That will be the day. My days of schooling are long gone by. I hated it when I went and hate it even more now. I may need my head examined some day though. (8^`)

 

[schmism]

you need a ditch on the side of the road because most DOT's (or county rules) will require you capture the water the runs off the road and direct it to an existing stream/river/ditch. They dont want it to sheet flow off the road onto your property. That creates problems.

 

[Dusty]

Your property line runs to the center of the road.

If you are trying to change my words about the width of a roadway and as it apply it to deeds, then you are WRONG! Your statement that my property line runs to the center of the road is also WRONG. How do you know were my property line runs? Have you read my deeds? I own an adjoining piece of property that the property runs along the North side of the road, where on one of my property deeds, it runs to the center of the road "as traveled". Problem with that, is that "as traveled" meant back in 1765 when the first recorded deed that they can decipher indicated so. The deeds prior to that are not able to be read, because the script that they were written in is so illegible. Today, "as traveled" is between 4' and 6' from what it was years ago. The road has been moved for various reason, such as trees growing along the edge that have encroached upon it, and other natural and unnatural man made happenings. I am not about to give up my land each time the center of the road is moved, and neither are the adjoining neighbors. On the South side, I own the entire road and 17.5 feet from the center "as traveled" in 1820. The adjoining property owner has no rights on that road at all. You only own what the deed says you own, not what you wished that you owned, but don't have title to. Do you own to the center of State Road 26? Possibly in Ohio, everyones property line runs to the center of the road, but I doubt it. I might not know how it is done in Marrieta Ohio, but I do know how it works where I live in CT. You made a 10 word snippet of a statement that holds no validity in reality and is meaningless and without substance or merit concerning my deeds.

 

[Dusty]

I have never relieved myself in the res. LOL's Worcester water tastes so bad because their sewers are always backingup. I think the lines are connected. Ever swim in Quinsigamond?? You get the slimey feeling when you get out.

I have never had the pleasure to swim in the Quinsigamond Lake, but swimming in all lakes gives you that slimy feeling. That slimy feeling is what protects the fishes bodies from having there protective slime coat being scrubbed off as they swim through the water. Personally, I don't like swimming in lakes for that reason.
Dusty

 

[JimR]

I have never had the pleasure to swim in the Quinsigamond Lake, but swimming in all lakes gives you that slimy feeling. That slimy feeling is what protects the fishes bodies from having there protective slime coat being scrubbed off as they swim through the water. Personally, I don't like swimming in lakes for that reason.
Dusty

Quinsig has its own special feel of slime unlike may other lakes that I've been in like Webster Lake and the Connecticut River.

 

[penokee]

Not trying to be a PICKEE, but for the record, a Rod is 16.5', not 17.5' as noted in an earlier post. Standard ROW,s were frequently 2 rods or 4 rods wide (33' or 66').
As far as height of cover over a culvert, a rule of thunb is one half the diameter, but no less then 12". As pointed out by previous posters, base preperation and type of backfill material and compaction are all important factors.
As our country was settled, etc., different methods were used to identify property lines. In the original 13 states, a method called Metes and Bounds was used. The lengths were ordinarily given in rods or chains. Since 1785 the rectangular system of subdivision was inaugurated. This provided for 6 mile square townships, each containing 36 sections 1 mile square. Twenty nine states, including Alaska are surveyed or being surveyed under this system. Getting a little verbose so will cut it off.
penokee

 

[Dusty]

Not trying to be a PICKEE, but for the record, a Rod is 16.5', not 17.5' as noted in an earlier post. Standard ROW,s were frequently 2 rods or 4 rods wide (33' or 66').

Opps..... typo... the 7 was located next to the 6 and the fingers didn't know the differance and the eyes were too tired to notice. Thanks for catching this error...

 

[AndyM]

Not trying to be a PICKEE, but for the record, a Rod is 16.5', not 17.5' as noted in an earlier post. Standard ROW,s were frequently 2 rods or 4 rods wide (33' or 66').

Interesting. When we lived in town, the village lots (which were laid out before driveways ran along next to the houses) were 33 feet wide. We had two lots, and our property dimensions were 66 x 99 feet.

 

[LBrown59]

No question I agree with you, I'd like to see all power and other utilities underground to eliminate the dangers and visual graffiti that is inherent with utility poles.

Are they under ground or over head from the poles to your house?

 

[LBrown59]

You think possibly, that ditches could be designed to possibly collect water from one or both sides of the ditch,

Not the one across the front of my place .
I have a 15'' culvert and the ditch going into and out of it is 3or 4 feet wide and deep.
Either the ditch must be to big or the culvert is to small.
But which one?

Late me put it another way :
You need to drain water, If you decide to do it using a Culvert what size culvert do you need ?
If you decide to forget the culvert and go with just a ditch what size for the ditch?

 

[Dusty]

Not the one across the front of my place .
I have a 15'' culvert and the ditch going into and out of it is 3or 4 feet wide and deep.
Either the ditch must be to big or the culvert is to small.
But which one?[/quote]

Take your choice... the answer is both the same.

Late me put it another way :
You need to drain water, If you decide to do it using a Culvert what size culvert do you need ?
If you decide to forget the culvert and go with just a ditch what size for the ditch?

The answer to the two part question you posed above is:

A) Why do you need to drain water?

B) Large enough to carry all the water that will be going through the culvert.

C) Why would you forget the culvert?

D) Large enough to carry all the water that the ditch will accumulating.

 

[LBrown59]

1*I live on a county road... Instead of getting a permit, the county did the work...
For the price I could have bought the culvert only, the county bought, delivered, installed my culvert, and put gravel over it so I could drive over it.
2*I don't have to do any work in my ditch... The County engineer's office comes through once every couple of years and digs out the ditches to make sure they are sloped the correct way so that the water runoff from the roads goes the right way to prevent flooding of roads and property. It's good to see I actually get something from the taxes I pay!
3*I don't even have to mow the grass in my ditches...

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1* The State is different then cause i had to pay for everything and do all the work installing the culvert here along the state highway.
2* What i get from the state doing that is over sized eroded dirties with caved in banks washing away my front yard.
3*I do because its too far for the state mowers to reach clear across the oversized washed out jagged ditches; so I end up having to mow about a foot or 2 of their right away for them, actually you can't mow it with A mower because the front yard is so jagged & irregular due to the erosion of the ditch along it.

 

[Dusty]

>>>> >>>>
1* The State is different then cause i had to pay for everything and do all the work installing the culvert here along the state highway.
2* What i get from the state doing that is over sized eroded dirties with caved in banks washing away my front yard.
3*I do because its too far for the state mowers to reach clear across the oversized washed out jagged ditches; so I end up having to mow about a foot or 2 of their right away for them, actually you can't mow it with A mower because the front yard is so jagged & irregular due to the erosion of the ditch along it.

Why didn't you go out there and instruct them in the proper way to do this job to your satisfaction? You should know that you can't expect state workers to do anything correctly unless you stay there and supervise them constantly. You paid for it, so it should be done your way!

 

[LBrown59]

your whole yard isn't 3 feet below the road, is it?
*It looked to me like it runs significantly uphill from the road.

*The state tells me I only need a small 8'' wide swale with a 6'' dip to the center to handle this.
There again why A 3 to 4 foot wide and deep ditch?

I only have a 15'' culvert so wouldn't a ditch carrying 3 or 4 feet of water over flow the culvert?