Building FEL hay spear, have a question

[mjw357]

After m5farms mentioned the global QA I got to wondering what kubota did for a quick hitch,
it looks like they had several different so called quick attaches;
Optional “Bolt-On” Brackets
Work savers may have your QA for your kubota.
good luck

Thanks for the link, one is real close but not quite.

 

[Xfaxman]

Hi Lou, I am building a spear that will attach to my loader in place of the bucket if that makes more sense. Unfortunately I have the Kubota quick attach so I have to design and build myself.
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Pictures would help, but what is different between your Kubota quick attach and a tractor QA that takes skid steer attachments?

 

[texasranger556]

https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums...1250636016-pics-my-la504-loader-quick-qa1-jpg

 

[Xfaxman]

Thanks, Tex. I have seen adapters to fit that style:

 

[mjw357]

Yes, that ^^^ is exactly my current setup.

Leaning towards two equal length spears about 30" apart, working on angled attachment plates to give me 15° of rollback.

 

[LouNY]

That style is very similar to the global style,
I find the global much nicer to use then the SSQA and wish that more manufactures used or offered it.

 

[mjw357]

Here is my final design. I have the bale spikes and sleeves, going to the fab shop monday to get started.

 

[M5farms]

Just make sure your spread allows you to go into a pallet.

 

[mjw357]

Just make sure your spread allows you to go into a pallet.

Planning on 29.5”, will that be OK?

 

[Xfaxman]

Here is my final design. I have the bale spikes and sleeves, going to the fab shop monday to get started.

Looks like enough rollback :thumbsup:.

Now would be the time to build in a receiver hitch and chain slots. Also something at the top to mount a boom pole: fel boom pole - Google Search

The chain slots and receiver are visible on my brush fork frame:

Moving a trailer without getting off the seat to raise the jack:

 

[WranglerX]

Maybe I am not very educated about bail spears (and maybe pallet forks) , but if you have a lot of down (dump) and not much roll back, instead of trying to make spear 90ｰ to quick connect plate, why not put a little down (dump) into plate then attach spear 90ｰ to earth, this would give you more "up" when in full curl.... You would just have to be more careful when lowering with unit that you did not stab mother earth with spear...

Dale

 

[Xfaxman]

Maybe I am not very educated about bail spears (and maybe pallet forks) , but if you have a lot of down (dump) and not much roll back, instead of trying to make spear 90ｰ to quick connect plate, why not put a little down (dump) into plate then attach spear 90ｰ to earth, this would give you more "up" when in full curl.... You would just have to be more careful when lowering with unit that you did not stab mother earth with spear...

Dale

I am not real clear understanding your description, it sounds backwards to me. But more "up" at full curl is more rollback.

If not enough rollback on a bale spear, the bale could slide off going down hill.

 

[mjw357]

I think Dale is saying mount the spears with some up angle relative to the plate. That is another way to go about it, but it is best to have the bale fully resting against the frame and angled back.

 

[WranglerX]

I am not real clear understanding your description, it sounds backwards to me. But more "up" at full curl is more rollback.

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If not enough rollback on a bale spear, the bale could slide off going down hill.

"Curl" vs. "roll back" same thing, just different words (labels).... Depends on part of country as what popular verbiage is.... OOPS! Just checked the manual that came with my FEL and it refers to "curl" as "roll back"...

Dale

 

[WranglerX]

I think Dale is saying mount the spears with some up angle relative to the plate. That is another way to go about it, but it is best to have the bale fully resting against the frame and angled back.

Yes sir....

Dale

 

[Xfaxman]

This is what confused me:

--------------------- instead of trying to make spear 90ｰ to quick connect plate, why not put a little down (dump) into plate ------------------------------------------
Dale

I don't see how you change the angle of the plate and down would be the wrong way. The plate latches flat to the QA. You can change the angle up or down of whatever is welded to the plate

But this isn't going on a QA plate. It is a Kubota QA system, there is no plate. You can see the extra rollback he put in with the bottom pin holes set out farther than the top hook connections:

 

[WranglerX]

You are not getting it.... IF attachment plate face is 20 degree down angle (in dump) and you attache spear level (parallel) to earth, then if you use "roll back" to max you get 20 degree (plus) up angle on spear.....




Dale

 

[Xfaxman]

Here is the reason nobody makes them that way.

The 5x6 bales that I have hauled are 63 inches long. The longest spear I have seen for sale is 49 inches long.

The heavier bales might not stay on without full penetration of the spear.

 

[mjw357]

Here is the reason nobody makes them that way.

The 5x6 bales that I have hauled are 63 inches long. The longest spear I have seen for sale is 49 inches long.

The heavier bales might not stay on without full penetration of the spear.

That is also a good way to snap a spear.

 

[mjw357]

Got the call today that my bale spear was finished!
Went on the adapter real easy. I will paint it after I am sure nothing needs tweaked.