Rear Blade Box Blade vs. Rear blade

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Haz

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Kubota L3430cab w/ FEL
I spoke with the local dealer about ordering a box blade for my L3430. I will be doing some grading and landscaping around our new house and reclaiming some old cow pasture which has gotten overgrown with brush and small trees. The pasture land will be used for my daughter's horses. He told me that with our soil conditions in Northeast PA that a rear blade would do fine for most applications and they are less expensive. He has sold only 2 box blades in the last 3 years and he is a fairly large dealer. Any comments would be appreciated.

Haz
 
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Haz:
They reqlly are two different tools suitable for different jobs. If you are going to be moving dirt for leveling, the box blade will do a lot better job. The ripper teeth will loosen the soil, while the end plates keep the material in the box until you are ready to drop it where you want it. Even without the ripper teeth extended, the box blade will be much heavier and will cut into the soil better than the rear blade.

The biggest advantage the rear blade provides is the ability to angle the blade and side cast the material. This can be very handy for crowning roads and driveways or just moving material to the side. However, since the rear blade is much lighter (unless you add additional weight /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif), it will not cut into the soil as deeply or take as much material with it.

The box blade should usually be just a little wider than your rear tires, so that it covers the tracks. Much wider, and you may run out of traction trying to move all the dirt it will hold. A rear blade, however, should probably be at least a foot wider than your tractor, perhaps 2 feet, so that it covers your tracks when angled.

I have both, but I must say that the box blade seems to be more useful for all around use. I use the rear blade only for specialized applications, like plowing snow, where the angle feature allows me to throw the snow to the side as, long as it is not too deep /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif.

Keep reading the posts, you will find a wealth of information on the differences. Could be that yoru dealer doesn't sell many because folks buy different brands from those he sells. Good luck with your choice.
 
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The rear blade is good for moving loose material around, but if you want to re-shape your terrain, (dig up earth and move it around), you will befinitely want a boxblade, (landscape box).
 
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Well said.
I think the guys have covered most of the issue.

But I would add that a rear blade can be very heavy as well. The light duty ones you commonly see give the rear blade a bad name but a well built rear blade will be very heavy. Mine is more than 1000 lbs.

The rear blade, as stated, is best for road work and ditch cutting, etc.. Sound like a box blade will be of more value to you since you appear to have more need for spreading material and landscaping.

Fred
 
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Thanks for the info. It appears that I probably will end up getting both. I have a long stone driveway which will have to be plowed in the winter and maintained so I guess I will need the rear blade for that. The dealer handles Woods box blades which I hear are good ones. Which size would be best for a Kubota L3430?
 
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<font color="blue">I probably will end up getting both... </font>

Hi Harry,

If you buy a Woods or equivalent MD or HD rear blade (550 lbs. +), pick up a pair of "end plates" for the rear blade and use it for dual purposes... both as a rear blade and "box blade"...

the main thing you lose with this setup are the scarifier teeth mounted on a box blade...
 
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<font color="blue"> the main thing you lose with this setup are the scarifier teeth mounted on a box blade... </font>

Mr Miller, your comment above makes me wonder if anyone has modified a heavy duty rear blade and added scarifier teeth? With that modification, and the end plates you also mentioned, seems like it would make for one very useful multi-use tool. If anyone has, I'd really like to see a picture.../forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Corm
 
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Since a rear blade pivots on a center point, I don't think scarifiers would be a good idea on a blade. If one of the scarifiers near the end of a blade caught on a rock or root, it would cause tremendous torque on the center pivot point and latch and probably damage it. My $.02.
Now someone will probably say "No problem, BB. Mine works great." /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
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Mr. Miller should be able to send you a picture and a web link for a scarifier attachment that you connect your backblade to.
(Or, to which you connect your backblade.) It goes between your 3ph and your blade.
 
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Woods rear blade with optional end plates & tail wheel...

Don’t hold me to it… but I believe a couple mfrs have scarifier options for their rear blades… ?? maybe Woods and Landpride being a few… the main problem I’ve seen, was the price of the options mostly negated actually buying them… when you could purchase the “full and independent” implement for considerably less money elsewhere…

York Rake Co… with multiple options

Woods rear blades with options…
 

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I don't have one with a rear blade... but here's one from York with a rear rake... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 

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Not sure if it would be a problem in your area or with a CUT,but every Gannon Box I've seen up here on tractors over 40 hp are all bent up. Just way too many rocks for them to work correctly at any decent depth. I guess that is why I never see any scrapers on construction jobs either until they are ready to spead the fill.
 
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Our land has tons of rocks. Too bad I don't know how to build stone walls. I already have all the raw materials. Oh well, something else to learn in my "spare" time.
 
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Most box blades have a warning on them about big tractors.
The ones I have seen indicate use of these blades with a tractor more than ~60 hp voids the waranty. To much traction allows an operator to dig it in and in the extreme case break welds.
Thats why the heavy duty units rated upto ~125-150 hp are cat 2 and much heavier. As you would expect the cost scales with the weight.

Fred
 
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Haz,
I got a KK 6' blade for my L3010 earlier this year. I had trouble moving all the snow we got this year with my FEL, and the blade was perfect for that job. It is a light one, so when I tried to fix ruts in a dirt road leading the the back of my property the blade left a lot to be desired. I picked up a 6' Massey Fergusion box blade last Friday. Thanks to the tips on here about shortening the top link to scarify more and lengthing the top link to smooth out your work, I had the whole road done in 3 hours (3/4 mile). Thats including practice time with the BB. Last night I used it to remove and old fence and push / pulled old tree limbs and posts into a burn pile. Up until now the rotary cutter was my favorite implement ... but so far this box blade has sure impressed me. My property has lots of rocks also, in fact, we call it 'Sticks n Stones'. From what I priced, you can have both the Box Blade and a light duty blade for less than the price of a heavy blade with the sides like JMIII posed earlier.
Moon of Ohio
 
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This is what I thought you would depict. (If I did the cut and paste correctly.

A scarifier to which you attach a blade or rake or ???

Scarifier
 
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Re: Box Blade vs. Roller Over Box

JohnMillerIII (or anyone): Any experience/thoughts on rollover vs. straight box blades? Was looking at box blades but the rollover looks a lot more flexible as can use for just scarfing, just dragging, or, just backfilling. Looked at one at a cemetery while putting in some headstones a few days ago. The guy said they had gotten good use out of it (it was a woods). ????

JEH
 
 

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