Blame game

[crusty 1]

CD,if you,re thinkin me no I,m not offended.I would like folks to just start talking to each other.We,re all in this same world.We all get upset,thats being human,we,ve just forgoten how to talk to each other.There isn,t a person on here that I woudn,t sit and have a beer or coffee with.In many ways I think because people now talk in this manner of no face to face makes it easy to miss the look in a face,a smile or snarl,its so hard to truely put a tag on.Bottum line for me is the generations coming up I,v enjoyed so much and want my wee ones to have the same chanceDave

 

[RTII]

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I know there are other members and visitors on here that work offshore or on land in the oil and gas industry. All I ask is for everyone to please remember the guys that did not and did get off the Horizon. Some of the survivors I've spoken with were almost to the point of feeling guilty they survived, because they couldn't rescue their friends and coworkers from an inferno. These people were not cold-blooded executives in business suits with an eye on the dividend per share. They were people just like a lot of us on here with hopes, dreams, families, and plans for the future. Sorry if I've gone on too long. Thanks.

CDsdad,

First, I am truly sorry for the loss of your friends and crewmates. I am offshore at the moment working at the wellsite (along with hundreds of others) with reps from the rig aboard, working nonstop as expected to get this thing closed off. There is not a day most of us don't think of the lives lost and the spill consequences while at the same time focusiing on the job at hand.

Others,

My thoughts are far away from a blame culture that the media and politicians contribute to. Rather the focus is on fixing the problem and then hopefully taking lessons learned and apply them to preventative measures in the future.

As I was working yesterday I took a moment and was able to count 35 vessels in the immediate area all involved in either direct intervention, cleanup, or support of both. These are some of the most capable vessels in the world. An Unprecedented effort, as it should be, in my 30+ years of working offshore. There are probably (without exageration) hundreds more ashore in support of this operation and it's amazing how smoothly it's going allbeit not as quickly as everyone would want.

Just be aware everyone involved is working as hard as possible towards resolution.

 

[CDsdad]

Thanks, RTII. And know that the rest of us in the Gulf are pulling for you guys. Most people don't understand the logistical challenges, much less the operational challenges, of trying to cap the leak and/or drill a relief well. I hope all goes well for ya'll, thanks for what you're doing, God bless, and be careful.

 

[Sigarms]

If I've been diligent to the point of being offensive about defending the crews aboard the Deepwater Horizon, I apologize for being offensive, but not for my diligence.

I would like to think that there is no reason for you to have to defend those workers who died in this horrible situation.

Most people don't understand the logistical challenges, much less the operational challenges, of trying to cap the leak and/or drill a relief well.

The question I have is has a procedure such as this ever been tried before in a "real life" situation and was it successful? I realize you can't plan for every unforseen accident, but in the oil drilling business in the ocean, I can't help but think that something like this would be a possibilty that you would prepare for.

 

[CDsdad]

The question I have is has a procedure such as this ever been tried before in a "real life" situation and was it successful? I realize you can't plan for every unforseen accident, but in the oil drilling business in the ocean, I can't help but think that something like this would be a possibilty that you would prepare for.

As far as the "dome" or "top hat" method, I think that has only been done in shallower water, but I have no knowledge of the details.

Relief wells have been drilled in past cases. Another rig drills into the existing wellbore and kills it using a kill weight fluid and/or cement. The relief wells I am aware of were drilled while the existing well was contained by the original drilling rig, but at a pressure too high to be dealt with by the original rig. In other words they could hold it, but they couldn't kill it for whatever reason or limitation. The wells I'm aware of were not in water this deep, but it'll work.

As this is an extreme situation, I hear rumblings this morning that BP is about to attempt something even more extreme. I won't say any more than that.

 

[2manyrocks]

The impression I got from the lady in our Sunday school class was that the situation came on the crew rather quickly and there were maybe a series of fail safes that didn't work.

My impression may be wrong or I may have misunderstood her. I certainly don't know a thing about oil rigs so please don't take this as fact

I do know that she was badly shaken and was deeply grieving for the friend she lost in the accident. I guess there's a fairly tight knit community of folks who work in this area.

 

[mostly_gas]

I know that hurricanes have gone through the area and disrupted the flow of oil and yet the spill from the sinking rig is bigger? The news coverage is more oriented to telling me what could happen, not what actually is going on Senate hearing will show pontificating and CYA:confused2:
Just seems like it would be better if news media stuck to facts rather than filling air time with "could happen".

 

[dcyrilc]

CD,
You have nothing to appoligize for. You have done an exempliary job of helping us to understand the situation.

RTII,
Thanks for the info. You guys are doing a great job and need to be commended for your efforts. Keep up the good work and above all...Be Safe!

 

[mjarrels]

Heard on the news yesterday that some of the folks involved are going to pull up a 150 year old law from the marine industray from sunken ships that puts the value at 0. Zip libility for this mess. Any you wonder why old laws are never taken off the books.

mark

 

[crusty 1]

Thats what I,v been trying to point out,tax payers be prepaired!I feel bad that lives were lost its always the workin stiff Dave

 

[BTDT2]

Energy industry(specifically oil companies) are the only business I know of, that pass any and all increased costs DIRECTLY to consumers.

Not sure of your point? All for-profit businesses must pass their costs on to the consumer, or they won't stay in business. Doesn't matter how many middlemen involved, the 'stuff' still rolls downhill.

I'm not defending oil industry profits, just the realities of free enterprise. The mom and pop gas stations have to pay the going price, but if they want to stay in business, they have to include their costs also.

"Socialism is great until you run out of other peoples money" Thatcher

 

[rekees4300]

April 27, 2010

(AP) BP PLC, Europe's second-largest oil company, said Tuesday that first-quarter profit more than doubled from a year earlier to $6.1 billion due to higher crude prices and lower production costs and taxes.

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Why would BP need to pass the clean-up costs to the consumer when BP appears to have enough money already! Oh wait a minute, I forgot about shareholder dividends. No need for the shareholders to suffer when John Q. Public will pay every time he fills up at the gas station.

 

[GT2]

This oil leak has gone on too long!!
Maybe some Navy guys can chime in on this thought:
Why cant the Navy just torpedo or explode the well surface and collapse the well?

 

[brin]

We've got a bunch of career politicians is what we have.

I like the quote from Edward R. Murrow, too.

The career bureaucrats really run things and they scare me more than the crooked politicians...the politicians just come in for their term but the bureaucrats running all the federal government are the ones that endure. Pray hard!

 

[MossRoad]

This oil leak has gone on too long!!
Maybe some Navy guys can chime in on this thought:
Why cant the Navy just torpedo or explode the well surface and collapse the well?

Look at it this way.... if you blow up a fire hydrant it still keeps spewing water. The oil under the sea bed is under incredible pressure. Once they pierced the layers of rock above it, it comes squirting out all by itself. The only way to stop it is plug the pipe.

 

[GT2]

Look at it this way.... if you blow up a fire hydrant it still keeps spewing water. The oil under the sea bed is under incredible pressure. Once they pierced the layers of rock above it, it comes squirting out all by itself. The only way to stop it is plug the pipe.

For the sake of conversation, a fire hydrant is not the same thing!
This oil is 2 miles bellow sea bottom, One would think you could cause a collapse about a 1/4 mile deep that could plug the hole?

 

[brin]

For the sake of conversation, a fire hydrant is not the same thing!
This oil is 2 miles bellow sea bottom, One would think you could cause a collapse about a 1/4 mile deep that could plug the hole?

I'm with you on that but I am thinking the govt. is hesitant to use explosives or a nuke do to the unknown...What if they used it and it made in 10X worse ? No guts ....No glory...

 

[GT2]

I'm with you on that but I am thinking the govt. is hesitant to use explosives or a nuke do to the unknown...What if they used it and it made in 10X worse ? No guts ....No glory...

Hee Hee!

I always say: Do something... even if its wrong!

Oh.. wait... they are already doing that!

 

[brin]

Hee Hee!

I always say: Do something... even if its wrong!

Oh.. wait... they are already doing that!

That reminds me of the old saying....." Even if all you have is a bucket of Manure, at least you could stir it up ! "

or the Jerry Clower tape when Leroy was up in the tree with a Coon the dogs had treed and his buddy was on the ground with a shot gun and Leroy yelled for help and his buddy said - but I might hit you and Leroy said..just shoot up here anywhere cause one of us needs some relief...:laughing: