Bigger tractor with cab??

[Woodbeef]

Hey ZJ,

Yup that is the one. You should work for them,doing brochure pics........

 

[ZJ_HR]

Not yet WB. Maybe, who know...

ZJ

 

[Rowski]

Hope all had nice and safe Holidays!.

My thread should have read need a better tractor /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif.

I kinda started this thread before I had all my info together. Let me explain from the begining what had happened.


I purchased a Pronovost model P-740 snowblower. Its the group two class blower, weighs about 1200lbs and is 74" wide. It was purchased in Quebec. I had a hard time getting it across the border but that is another discussion all together.

I installed the blower on my NH2120 and it did not have enough power to run it even in fresh fallen snow. The snowblower is rated to run behind 35 to 60 hp tractors. Granted my NH2120 is at the lower end of the scale but the snowblower dealer said it should be able to run it. It didn't. So I tried to rent a larger tractor to run the snowblower but had no luck at all. I called a local framer who had a Kubota M69??DT tractor to try the blower on. Well it worked. The tractor didn't have good rubber plus the blower was smaller than the tire width. I called the dealer from where the blower was purchased and explained my problem. We talked in length about the issue. We came to the agreement that the NH2120 was not running right or over rated. The dealer also told me the he personally uses the same blower I purchased on a Kubota L4200 GST and has no trouble.

At this time we where getting snow 2 times a week and each time measured by feet! The whole idea to have the blower was to help out with these kind of storms. Our plow truck were having a very hard time keeping up. Lucky for us we only had one of our 115 rural driveways get closed up. Not good 3 days before X-mas!.

So... I have a freind about 1.5 hrs drive away that had bought a new L4330HST TLB this fall. He isn't using it this winter and let me "use" it to see if it can handle the blower. After a 6 hours round trip of getting the tractor, lots of snow and poor road conditions.

During the installing the blower on the L4330HST I found the 3pt hitch doesn't raise at all even with no weight on it. After "diagnosing" (drawing out the hydraulic circuit) I found the dealer had 2 hoses switched on the power beyond block for the loader and backhoe. Turns out the power beyond was dumping to the sump and not 3pt like its supposed too. After switching the hoses everything worked.

The Kubota L4330HST has the same PTO HP as the NH2120 at 34.5hp. The L4330hst handles it very well. I even used it on the L4330 for a pass and then removed it and installed it on the NH2120 and tried it (same snow conditions) and it was a joke. The NH2120 does not have the torque to maintain rpm during a load. I even ran it wide open. You get it under 2100 - 2000 rpms under a load (snowblowing) and the rpm will drop like a rock. The Kubota will not drop the rpm as easily. So I'm very pleased with the Kubota and it performance. A++ in my book. One thing that does make a difference is having the HST verses a gear for blowing snow. I've used it about 10 hrs blowing snow and very inpressed. The snow I've been blowing has been very wet, been plowed (snowbanks), and the temps above freezing.



Now the freind will let me "use" the tractor for the rest of the winter. But the tractor doesn't have a cab! So most likely the NH2120 is history. I know for one thing it will be HST for sure and most likely a Kubota. Looks like my options are limited to the L5030HSTC (cab model). It will give me an extra 7 hp on the pto which will help.

Any advice, comments, questions!!!!

In the next few weeks I will be specing and pricing out a new tractor most likely L5030HSTC and would need lots of advice on options to get.

Thanks again for all your help.

 

[5030]

Eric:

After many conversations with Kubota, American Engineering, in Torrance California, I think they are following my advise about shrouding the area between the radiator, a.c. evaporator and the oil cooler. There has been a Kubota rep out to look at my 5030 too.

I guess they want mine this summer as they are going to do some tests on it (maybe they can have it, I haven't decided yet).

With the fix, the a.c. is impeccable.

On the subject of loader controls, the 5030 has the 4 way valve with a joystick (mechanical/cable linkage). It's very easy to modulate and the stick is in such a convenient place, it falls right into your hand. It's really a joy to use. I suggested to Kubota that a swivel seat would also be in order. I spend quite a bit of time backing and while the mirrors afford a good view, a swivel seat would be even better.

Overall, I am quite pleased with the unit. I'd opted for an M series, cab unit, probably in the 70 horsepower range, but the 5030 HSTC is actually LOWER in overall height than the non-cab, ROPS equipped 5030. Height was a prime consideration as I keep the tractor in my heated shop and 8' was the limit.

 

[AndyMA]

I would have a dealer look at your 2120. I think there is something wrong with it. I have had one since 1987 and have no issues with it's power and use many PTO implements on it. Never have I had it drag down like you say. The 2120 was one of Ford/New Holland's most popular models ever and I believe the PTO hp of the tractor was actually derated to get below some limit. I have run a 63" blower on mine into 18" of wet snow and the tractor barely notices it. I can't believe another 11 inches makes that much difference.

Andy

 

[ledebuhr1]

5030,
Do you know if Kubota will make your changes to the AC system for the 2004 models???

Also, is the joystick to controll your FEL right next to your hand? or is it the "traditional" location next to the steering wheel?? I would like a FEL controller that is like the joystick on a Skidsteer. any pics of it?
thanks

 

[5030]

ledeburh1:

The joystick (and it is a joy to use) is mounted on the inside of the fender well right where your right hand rests, especially with the folding armrests down. I know that in all the Kubota ad material, there is no pictures of the location and when I purchased the tractor, until I picked it up, I myself didn't know where it would be mounted other than the fact that it was completely remote from the loader.

My camera was inadvertently left at my in-laws over the holidays so no pictures right now. I did want to post my new Lucknow 78 rear mount blower and that will have to wait!!

Actually, the "feel" of the joystick is very similar to the remote option on my 773 Bobcat.

I would imagine that Kubota is going to modify the airflow into the radiator. They didn't say yeah or nae, but in their best interests, and knowing Kubota, I am sure they will address the problem.

 

[5030]

Rowski:

The torque rise on the 5030 is really good. Rat will attest to the torque the motor has.

When I am haying, especially round bailing, as the bale size grows, so does the power requirements. The 5030 hangs right in there. It has a "sweet" spot, right about 2100 rpm.

 

[ledebuhr1]

5030, Thanks your joystick sounds just like what I want.

Now if you could get the kubota engineers to install a small refrigerator and microwave, then we would never want to leave the cab.

 

[5030]

Rowski:

Actually, I have a little 12 volt cooler that I take with me when I go haying.

It holds a couple of cans of pop and a sandwich or two.

Kubota put a cigarette lighter right next to the cup holder which is right above the HST range lever and cruise lever. I plug my little fridge-cooler in there so I have cold pop and a sandwich for lunch. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I smoke too...(a dirty habit, but a habit nonetheless). I don't smoke in the 5030, my pickup or for that matter, my camper.

I roll-my-own, so I keep the makings in a pouch and that goes in the tool compartment behind the seat along with my gloves.

At first, I tried keeping my spare lynch pins, hitch pins and assorted junk in there, but I soon found out that it rattles around and is irritating. I bought an aftermarket tool box and mounted it to the FEL rails, right under the left step. The M series comes with an outside tool box mounted next to the engine on the left, but the 5030 doesn't.

 

[art]

With the rear window defroster kit, back wiper and rear work lite kit you'll be looking for other driveways to do. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[5030]

Art:

I could be wrong about this so I'll stand corrected but, my 5030 came with a defroster grid embedded in the back window.

I added the (rear) worklights and wiper along with the am-fm-weatherband radio (so I know how long I have before it rains on my hay!!).

Kubota also has an optional filter for the fresh air system for spraying herbicides.

 

[snowbound]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( What would you you all recommed for a tractor with factory cab around the 60 hp range?)</font>

We got a New Holland TN65 for our farm and my aunt (who runs the farm) called me yesterday to thank me for the tractor. For like the ninth time. They are extremely happy with it. I don't know how many hours it has on it, but I would guess they might have put a the better part of a thousand hours on it by now. Lots of snow removal recently and they say they don't need chains with the 4WD. Their place isn't much flatter than mine but they have a lot more roads to clear.

I'm not knocking other brands - we were very close to getting Kubota tractors instead, but we knew the New Holland dealer near the farm really well and trust them for service.

 

[5030]

snowbound:

Very well put.

If your local dealer is NH and you are comfortable with him or her, go with NH, or any other brand.

Mine is Kubota.

The dealer makes the difference for me. Sooner or later, you will need that dealer for something whether it's a repair or advice. It's good to have a working relationship.

 

[snowbound]

I agree about the importance of the dealer. If we hadn't been getting two tractors at the same time, one for the farm and one for my place, I probably would have bought a Kubota from a very well established dealer about five miles away. There is a New Holland dealer about ten miles away, but I don't know how good they are. On the other hand, we expected service to be more important near our farm (they put about fifty hours on the tractor there for every one I put on mine). And near the farm, the New Holland/Ford dealer has been doing business with my family for about fifty years and the Kubota dealer is a huge place where they don't deal too much with agricultural customers and hardly had the time of day for someone "only" buying two tractors, loader, plow, bush hog, post pounder, and pallet forks (all new).

 

[_RaT_]

Andy, my suspicion is that you are right. We have a 1996 2120 NH 12X12 shuttle and I posted way back in 2000 that I felt the NH while a nice strongly built tractor, also was a bit underpowered for being NH/Ford's largest compact. I was familiar with another brand and after using a brand new NH, I would routinely kill the engine while driving into a pile of dirt in medium range gear 1. So much so that I twice caused the engine to end up running backwards. It's not easy but what would happen is that just prior to stall, I would step on the clutch and it would remove the load just a fraction of a second before complete stall and next thing I knew, the exhaust sucked and the intake blew. Very odd. My feeling is that the torque curve is not flat or very forgiving at the higher RPM's.

 

[Rowski]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I can't believe another 11 inches makes that much difference )</font>

I don't think that the width makes the difference in using more power. It is the diameter and depth of the drum and the number of impeler blades.

I'm really curious to know the depth and diameter of the drum of your snowblower on your NH2120. Would it be possible for you to get the measurements?

Thanks

 

[Rowski]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( With the rear window defroster kit, back wiper and rear work lite kit you'll be looking for other driveways to do. )</font>

Art

115 rural drives is at our limit. My self and my father plow for about 12 to 15 hrs each and our third driver 8 to 9 hrs. Our trucks take a pounding during heavy snows like we had. We were using our 1 ton f-350 dually wrecker with chains on all 6 wheels opening drives. Took about 2 years out of the trucks life /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif. I mean trucks aren't meant for that kind of punishment. Tractors can handle it alot better.

 

[sweettractors]

Sounds like the Kioti DK65 CHA to me--Contact us if you need pricing--Specs can be found here--
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[5030]

Ken:

I think the shipping would kill him. From Kentucky to Vermont?

He could always drive it back. By the time he got home, it would be spring.