Bigger HST machines.

[LD1]

You want a higher HP hydro get one;

New Holland
Bidirectional™ Tractor
105 PTO hp
TV6070
8 range power shift hydro.

So pea on those puny 3 manual shift range hydros go 8 range with a button power shifted with the infinite hydro.
You can get a 3 point and pto on both ends.
They are not made new at this time as they stopped at tier 3 emissions,
so get a good used one and do you mowing.

A 15000 pound 150HP tractor is not exactly what someone wants to tow around and mow 3-5 acre plots with.

 

[Williy]

Years ago hst was not very efficient but over the
years many improvements just check this tractor
out

I personally will never own a standard tranny on a tractor as too much time spent shifting gears when you can move your foot from forward to reverse much faster than you can shift! Besides I am old and cranky and a clutch just don't fit my foot!

willy

 

[ptsg]

Why does asking if anyone has heard if any MFG's have plans on building larger HST tractors have to involve discussing gear machines?

IF I was shopping for a new pistol....would that necessitate talking about rifles and shotguns as well?

You keep regurgitating that "HST's are inefficient" like a fool. ITs all about perspective. Inefficient at what?

Are they inefficient at transmitting power to the ground....sure. But I think we have already discussed that getting power to the ground is NOT a priority for me. For me, efficiency is how fast I can mow a given plot of ground with an 8' mower. How fast can I change speed AND direction on the fly. And for that, the HST is the MOST efficient.

IF HST's were so "inefficient" (with no other clarifier)......then we wouldnt have HST skidloaders or HST zero-turns.

For me, a gear or shuttle is very inefficient.

No one is whining....not sure why you accuse me of that? But the only childish one here is the person still trying to convince me that gear tractor is better when I have clearly stated I have no interest in one. Having operated numerous tractors with various different transmissions, shuttles, power shifts, etc......not so sure why you are so h3ll bent on trying to be Mr know-it-all like you know my situation and tractor uses better than I do.

Just give it a rest.

IT was a simple question. There are dozens of tractor MFG's, and constantly changing models. I dont keep up with the new stuff anymore. So simply wanted to know if any of the MFG's had anything in the pipeline.

Go ask the MFG directly and hopefully they will give you the answer you get, instead of getting all worked up for no reason.

Or grab yourself a Fendt 200 series Vario. They go from 77 hp up to 115hp. It's a bit more complex than a hydrostatic transmission but it's about as close as it gonna get, while retaining the change of speed on the fly.

 

[LD1]

Go ask the MFG directly and hopefully they will give you the answer you get, instead of getting all worked up for no reason.

Or grab yourself a Fendt 200 series Vario. They go from 77 hp up to 115hp. It's a bit more complex than a hydrostatic transmission but it's about as close as it gonna get, while retaining the change of speed on the fly.

The only one getting "worked up" is you and your quest to try and convince everyone how bad HST is and how great gears are in a thread that isn't even about comparing the two. But you felt the need to interject your unwanted opinion about the subject like a troll. It's all good though...your keeping my post at the top of the page

 

[LD1]

Years ago hst was not very efficient but over the
years many improvements just check this tractor
out

I personally will never own a standard tranny on a tractor as too much time spent shifting gears when you can move your foot from forward to reverse much faster than you can shift! Besides I am old and cranky and a clutch just don't fit my foot!

willy

I have looked at them, but they are the same size as what I have already.

I'm just waiting/hoping they break that plateau and drop a HST in the next large frame-size machines

 

[ptsg]

The only one getting "worked up" is you and your quest to try and convince everyone how bad HST is and how great gears are in a thread that isn't even about comparing the two. But you felt the need to interject your unwanted opinion about the subject like a troll. It's all good though...your keeping my post at the top of the page

Since you keep claiming that, where did I say one was better than the other? I simply said that the gear one will be more efficient, that's a fact that won't change. By that order, why are you so eager to convince everyone how bad a gear transmission is?

Obviously, it depends on the work being done. I though you were so clever to realize that. Maybe not. Instead you try to insult me or something? Go figure...

 

[LD1]

Since you keep claiming that, where did I say one was better than the other? I simply said that the gear one will be more efficient, that's a fact that won't change. By that order, why are you so eager to convince everyone how bad a gear transmission is?

Obviously, it depends on the work being done. I though you were so clever to realize that. Maybe not. Instead you try to insult me or something? Go figure...

But....you are wrong. The gear one is not more efficient.

 

[RickB]

Go ask the MFG directly and hopefully they will give you the answer you get, instead of getting all worked up for no reason.

Or grab yourself a Fendt 200 series Vario. They go from 77 hp up to 115hp. It's a bit more complex than a hydrostatic transmission but it's about as close as it gonna get, while retaining the change of speed on the fly.

From the Fendt website:
"Driving pedal or joystick control: The driving mode can be selected individually. The speed can be controlled with either the pedal or the joystick. Change drive direction either with the joystick or the reverse lever with built-in stop and go function."

Wouldn't get much simpler than that, would it.
But we've already heard it's "just not the same" as a hydro. No, it's not. It's a whole lot better. But at the end of of the day both are infinitely variable ratio transmissions, the primary topic of discussion. And Fendt offers them in the power size the OP wants with several dealers in his own state.

 

[ptsg]

From the Fendt website:
"Driving pedal or joystick control: The driving mode can be selected individually. The speed can be controlled with either the pedal or the joystick. Change drive direction either with the joystick or the reverse lever with built-in stop and go function."

Wouldn't get much simpler than that, would it.
But we've already heard it's "just not the same" as a hydro. No, it's not. It's a whole lot better.

Yes, the operation is actually very simple and easy to use. The innards of it, is what it's a bit more complex.

Basically combines the hydrostatic with the geared, in order to get the speed change of the hydro and the efficiency of the gear.

 

[RickB]

The tractor manufacturers have
gone to that level of complexity in order to get away from the inherent inefficiency of pure hydrostatic drive. Funny how it always comes back to the efficiency of getting horsepower to the ground.