Bigger HST machines.

[LD1]

You want a higher HP hydro get one;

New Holland
Bidirectional™ Tractor
105 PTO hp
TV6070
8 range power shift hydro.

So pea on those puny 3 manual shift range hydros go 8 range with a button power shifted with the infinite hydro.
You can get a 3 point and pto on both ends.
They are not made new at this time as they stopped at tier 3 emissions,
so get a good used one and do you mowing.

A 15000 pound 150HP tractor is not exactly what someone wants to tow around and mow 3-5 acre plots with.

 

[Williy]

Years ago hst was not very efficient but over the
years many improvements just check this tractor
out

I personally will never own a standard tranny on a tractor as too much time spent shifting gears when you can move your foot from forward to reverse much faster than you can shift! Besides I am old and cranky and a clutch just don't fit my foot!

willy

 

[ptsg]

Why does asking if anyone has heard if any MFG's have plans on building larger HST tractors have to involve discussing gear machines?

IF I was shopping for a new pistol....would that necessitate talking about rifles and shotguns as well?

You keep regurgitating that "HST's are inefficient" like a fool. ITs all about perspective. Inefficient at what?

Are they inefficient at transmitting power to the ground....sure. But I think we have already discussed that getting power to the ground is NOT a priority for me. For me, efficiency is how fast I can mow a given plot of ground with an 8' mower. How fast can I change speed AND direction on the fly. And for that, the HST is the MOST efficient.

IF HST's were so "inefficient" (with no other clarifier)......then we wouldnt have HST skidloaders or HST zero-turns.

For me, a gear or shuttle is very inefficient.

No one is whining....not sure why you accuse me of that? But the only childish one here is the person still trying to convince me that gear tractor is better when I have clearly stated I have no interest in one. Having operated numerous tractors with various different transmissions, shuttles, power shifts, etc......not so sure why you are so h3ll bent on trying to be Mr know-it-all like you know my situation and tractor uses better than I do.

Just give it a rest.

IT was a simple question. There are dozens of tractor MFG's, and constantly changing models. I dont keep up with the new stuff anymore. So simply wanted to know if any of the MFG's had anything in the pipeline.

Go ask the MFG directly and hopefully they will give you the answer you get, instead of getting all worked up for no reason.

Or grab yourself a Fendt 200 series Vario. They go from 77 hp up to 115hp. It's a bit more complex than a hydrostatic transmission but it's about as close as it gonna get, while retaining the change of speed on the fly.

 

[LD1]

Go ask the MFG directly and hopefully they will give you the answer you get, instead of getting all worked up for no reason.

Or grab yourself a Fendt 200 series Vario. They go from 77 hp up to 115hp. It's a bit more complex than a hydrostatic transmission but it's about as close as it gonna get, while retaining the change of speed on the fly.

The only one getting "worked up" is you and your quest to try and convince everyone how bad HST is and how great gears are in a thread that isn't even about comparing the two. But you felt the need to interject your unwanted opinion about the subject like a troll. It's all good though...your keeping my post at the top of the page

 

[LD1]

Years ago hst was not very efficient but over the
years many improvements just check this tractor
out

I personally will never own a standard tranny on a tractor as too much time spent shifting gears when you can move your foot from forward to reverse much faster than you can shift! Besides I am old and cranky and a clutch just don't fit my foot!

willy

I have looked at them, but they are the same size as what I have already.

I'm just waiting/hoping they break that plateau and drop a HST in the next large frame-size machines

 

[ptsg]

The only one getting "worked up" is you and your quest to try and convince everyone how bad HST is and how great gears are in a thread that isn't even about comparing the two. But you felt the need to interject your unwanted opinion about the subject like a troll. It's all good though...your keeping my post at the top of the page

Since you keep claiming that, where did I say one was better than the other? I simply said that the gear one will be more efficient, that's a fact that won't change. By that order, why are you so eager to convince everyone how bad a gear transmission is?

Obviously, it depends on the work being done. I though you were so clever to realize that. Maybe not. Instead you try to insult me or something? Go figure...

 

[LD1]

Since you keep claiming that, where did I say one was better than the other? I simply said that the gear one will be more efficient, that's a fact that won't change. By that order, why are you so eager to convince everyone how bad a gear transmission is?

Obviously, it depends on the work being done. I though you were so clever to realize that. Maybe not. Instead you try to insult me or something? Go figure...

But....you are wrong. The gear one is not more efficient.

 

[RickB]

Go ask the MFG directly and hopefully they will give you the answer you get, instead of getting all worked up for no reason.

Or grab yourself a Fendt 200 series Vario. They go from 77 hp up to 115hp. It's a bit more complex than a hydrostatic transmission but it's about as close as it gonna get, while retaining the change of speed on the fly.

From the Fendt website:
"Driving pedal or joystick control: The driving mode can be selected individually. The speed can be controlled with either the pedal or the joystick. Change drive direction either with the joystick or the reverse lever with built-in stop and go function."

Wouldn't get much simpler than that, would it.
But we've already heard it's "just not the same" as a hydro. No, it's not. It's a whole lot better. But at the end of of the day both are infinitely variable ratio transmissions, the primary topic of discussion. And Fendt offers them in the power size the OP wants with several dealers in his own state.

 

[ptsg]

From the Fendt website:
"Driving pedal or joystick control: The driving mode can be selected individually. The speed can be controlled with either the pedal or the joystick. Change drive direction either with the joystick or the reverse lever with built-in stop and go function."

Wouldn't get much simpler than that, would it.
But we've already heard it's "just not the same" as a hydro. No, it's not. It's a whole lot better.

Yes, the operation is actually very simple and easy to use. The innards of it, is what it's a bit more complex.

Basically combines the hydrostatic with the geared, in order to get the speed change of the hydro and the efficiency of the gear.

 

[RickB]

The tractor manufacturers have
gone to that level of complexity in order to get away from the inherent inefficiency of pure hydrostatic drive. Funny how it always comes back to the efficiency of getting horsepower to the ground.

 

[arrow]

Wow....I was extremely hopeful for a moment.....

Then I read the brochure.

The 2670 is ONLY offered in PST....no hst.

The 2660 is offered in in BOTH pst and HST.....BUT.....look at the ag tire sizes....

THe 2660 PST has 9.5x20 fronts and 14.9x28 rears......thats perfect.
So why in the world is the 2660 HST drop back to 9.5x16 fronts and 14.9x24 rears......that puts it at basically the exact same machine as my current MX5100....only a few hundred pounds heavier. (3800lbs vs 4100lbs)

I dunno but I'll find out about the tires.
Don't give up hope yet.

 

[Jchonline]

You want a higher HP hydro get one;

New Holland
Bidirectional™ Tractor
105 PTO hp
TV6070
8 range power shift hydro.

So pea on those puny 3 manual shift range hydros go 8 range with a button power shifted with the infinite hydro.
You can get a 3 point and pto on both ends.
They are not made new at this time as they stopped at tier 3 emissions,
so get a good used one and do you mowing.

Probably stopped because no one bought them....

 

[LouNY]

Probably stopped because no one bought them....

The last I heard it was down to 250-500 per year so it didn't justify the remodel to meet tier 4 emission.
Plus the early ones did have issues at 6-10,000 hours with the hydros and drives.
Then they were expensive, a conventional powershift with a left hand reverser could do every thing loader wise the bi directional could.
Then the big triple mowers were coming out and the TV's didn't have enough HP to run triples at high speed.

 

[redman135]

LD1, here are 3 options:
1) Fendt , ivt and covers the speed range you specified. The 200 series starts at 79hp, about what you want. I don't know if the front axle suspension is avalible in this series. I have driven larger Fendt tractors and the Vario gearbox ( 3 speed x hydro, computer controlled so you don't notice the range shifts)is very similar to an HST. 2 european members have also sugested you look at Fendt.
2) Antonio Carrea tractors. low slung steep terrain tractor in hydrostatic g/box AND 74hp. The wide tyres on this model should improve comfort and satify your HST and power requirements. There is also a new release model not shown on the website with 99hp.
3) Take a hard look at CURRENT IVT type transmission, and TEST on some customers properties to get an accurate idea of the pro's and con's.
4) Query, is having 2 sizes of mower a practical option?

Good Luck

 

[LD1]

LD1, here are 3 options:
1) Fendt , ivt and covers the speed range you specified. The 200 series starts at 79hp, about what you want. I don't know if the front axle suspension is avalible in this series. I have driven larger Fendt tractors and the Vario gearbox ( 3 speed x hydro, computer controlled so you don't notice the range shifts)is very similar to an HST. 2 european members have also sugested you look at Fendt.
2) Antonio Carrea tractors. low slung steep terrain tractor in hydrostatic g/box AND 74hp. The wide tyres on this model should improve comfort and satify your HST and power requirements. There is also a new release model not shown on the website with 99hp.
3) Take a hard look at CURRENT IVT type transmission, and TEST on some customers properties to get an accurate idea of the pro's and con's.
4) Query, is having 2 sizes of mower a practical option?

Good Luck

Haven't even considered fendt. They don't have a strong presence in my area or dealer network. But I am certainly open to exploring them as an option.

No a second mower of a different size is not an option. 8' is the sweet spot for trailering based on length and width. I don't have physical means to haul a rig over 24' total length and about 10k pounds. Hard to justify a tow behind batwing when 90% of the work is under 5 acres

My MX is a perfect size machine for what I want. I only long for larger 20 or 24" fronts like the 5000-series Deere's or small M Kubota for a smoother ride over rough horse pastures or occasional groundhog hole. Of they made a 5065-5075 Deere or Kubota m6060-m7060 in a HST I'd be all over it.

I don't want an 8000# bare tractor. I don't want to be too big and cumbersome to loose the smaller jobs that comprise 90% of my work.

 

[k0ua]

I didnt really think I would have to spell out the exact detail of how I use the machine.

I asked a simple question.....and the fact that "gear" was not even mentioned in my original post.

Was met with nothing but everyone trying to convince me that HST is bad and that I should switch to a shuttle when that was NOT even the topic of discussion. I could care less what other people think is a better choice or what they prefer. I know what I want plain and simple.....and nothing holds a candle to HST. So I just wish everyone would quit the BS gear vs hydro debate. This has got to be as stupid and childish as a couple of kindergarteners arguing about green vs orange

I believe you. I used to mow 7 acres at my old place. I mowed it for a few years with a full sized utility tractor with 8 speeds forward and two reverse and a 6 foot finish mower, then for a few years more with a HST equipped tractor with a 5 foot finish mower. Without a doubt I could finish mowing MUCH faster with the hydro tractor with the smaller mower. The reason is because of the terrain and the trees to mow around. In my opinion you cannot beat a hydro for such a mowing task. Just like in my opinion you can't beat a geared tractor for plowing a field.

 

[Jchonline]

To summarize: you want a M7060 in HST that is the same weight as your MX so you can mow 5 acre lots and not be bounced around. All you really want is a smoother ride. It has nothing to do with a larger tractor.

Wonder if you can get some air ride shocks for the MX? Maybe some welding skills and this kit! Amazon.com: Front Axle Air Ride Kit for Freightliner And Kenworth: Home Improvement

Fendt is out the 207 weights 8200#.

 

[MechanicalGuy]

I absolutely love the Kubota MX series with the HSt transmission, but I could see the need for some 65 to 85 horsepower tractors with an HSt for loader work. I'm thinking hay tractor, grapple tractor.

My mx5200 hst is the tractor of choice for numerous tasks around the farm, but it's too small to be the feed tractor. You need a lot more machine to slog around muddy fields carrying hay bales (round) to the cows.

If I'm still at my in-laws farm when an 80-90 hp hst is available that will be my next tractor-maybe. I still need a tiny hst for yard work. I might get a 25hp hst first. But my fil already has all the geared tractors I'll ever need. Not going to be getting any more of those regardless of how efficient people say they are.

 

[sheamus]

The British IH tractors came in manual and hst. We had a new 784 loader with manual when I was a kid in early 80's. It had a tranny issue off the lot, and because dealer had to split it and get parts in from England (to Canada) they lent us the HST version for a couple months. Dad still talks about the heat theat it gave off when doing field work.... Says he is amazed that my younger sister was ever conceived after using it to work the land. He said he could believe the difference when we got our manual back for heat and pulling power. You straddled the tranny on the 784s (pretty common then), so tonnes of hot oil pumping right there.

I just bought a Bobcat ct2035hst, for our acreage, and he ranted to me not to get the HST... I think he was having flashbacks. But on a hobby farm, I won't be working the land just some chores, loader work, snow plow etc, so HST is right for me.

Anyway, thought this story may shed some light on why big tractors don't us HST.

 

[crazyal]

The fact is that gear tractors are going away. Maybe not soon but they are going to fade away just like manual transmissions in vehicles. first it was cars and pickups. Now getting a stick in a semi is getting harder. The old farmers are dying off and the younger ones taking over are more open to not dealing with shifting or clutches. Even power reversers are going to be mated to some sort of stickless transmission.

Let's face it. Gear was king because they were cheap and mostly bullet proof. Nobody put a computer into a tractor. Operators just expected to spend the day pushing in a clutch and shifting gears. Lots of things have gone by the wayside. Manual windows in cars and AC being optional. We as consumers have grown accustom to spending more money. I expect in 10 years we'll see a form of hydraulically controlled automatic shifting transmission that will operate just like HST in the 50hp to 100hp tractor range. You'll just control the speed with a pedal, like HST, or a lever. It'll be independent of engine speed so the PTO can be ran at speed without impacting tractor speed.

It just makes sense since driverless vehicles are slowly becoming a thing. That also is going to doom manually shifting gears.