Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

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The fact there are unused electrons on a wire waiting to be used is the definition of storage.

Look at all those lines with holding capacity...

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Amazing that a wire functions as a battery.
Why don't we just have lots of wire in our cars and store electricity in them that way? Who needs complex chemistry!
 
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Amazing that a wire functions as a battery.
Why don't we just have lots of wire in our cars and store electricity in them that way? Who needs complex chemistry!

Wires pre date battery tech... ;)
 
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The grid is our storage capacity in this nation.

That's your original quote.

The grid is not our storage capacity.

The grid has storage capacity available to it and is the energy distribution network; the storage is connected to the grid.

Similarly, the grid itself isn't the nation's generating capacity; most generators (I'm sure your know that not all of them are) are hooked up to the grid.

At present, it probably has the majority of the nation's storage capacity connected to it (in the form of pumped water, presumably measured in GWh, not GW).

I can't put power into the grid for storage; that storage isn't storage for the nation in general but only for the generator that has direct access to it; they can put power from it - typically by running stored water through the dam turbines - and then put it on the grid.

When large battery storage is available (like in Oz), they'll be able to consume excess power from the grid and store it, but it's still not available for the nation in general but is just another power consumer and producer, connected to "the grid".
 
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That's your original quote.

The grid is not our storage capacity.

The grid has storage capacity available to it and is the energy distribution network; the storage is connected to the grid.

Similarly, the grid itself isn't the nation's generating capacity; most generators (I'm sure your know that not all of them are) are hooked up to the grid.

At present, it probably has the majority of the nation's storage capacity connected to it (in the form of pumped water, presumably measured in GWh, not GW).

I can't put power into the grid for storage; that storage isn't storage for the nation in general but only for the generator that has direct access to it; they can put power from it - typically by running stored water through the dam turbines - and then put it on the grid.

When large battery storage is available (like in Oz), they'll be able to consume excess power from the grid and store it, but it's still not available for the nation in general but is just another power consumer and producer, connected to "the grid".
I feel this an about-face post...you had to admit the grid has storage capacity while at the same time not admitting it.
 
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I feel this an about-face post...you had to admit the grid has storage capacity while at the same time not admitting it.
You are real comedian :)
 
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If the grid is not storage capacity for times of high demand, where is the storage capacity?
Texas seems to get along ok with electricity short of what's needed for unexpected cold or heat. How do they do it?
 
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Texas seems to get along ok with electricity short of what's needed for unexpected cold or heat. How do they do it?

I still get the excuse of, we're backordered because of the freeze in Texas. Texas should have come to Wyoming in February for a show and tell on the physics of windmills in the cold.
 
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Uh...Cost per car? Have to ask someone who bought one in China?.

Although NIO is apparently planning to be sold in Germany, Sweden the Netherlands and Denmark next year.
By 2025 they plan to be 25 countries/regions.


I did find this on the China Government subsidizing the battery swap stations.

NIO gains advantage after Chinese Government favors battery swapping for EVs

I actually think the concept of modular batteries is workable. Decouple the ownership of the car and battery. But again details. Imagine the size stations would have to be to store, charge, and swap batteries. Would all manufacturers produce a modular platform. Is there enough profit for the risk of amassing huge amounts of infrastructure for a technology that is constantly changing...or is Government the only answer because they can operate at a loss and be inefficient.

Nevermind, I'm going back to the battery not being a viable long-term solution for transportation needs.
 
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