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ETD66SS
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Yeah, I mean I told all these contractors that this would be a cash job. But it's still not helping to get things moving...
Barndominium/Shop or "real" House?
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EddieWalker
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I'm a wood guy. I like to build wooden buildings. My only use of metal is for roofing, which I attach to wood purlins. I suggested to my client that they reconsider building with metal and look at wood, but that's not what they want.
The company that I like to buy my metal roofing from also sells all the metal for metal buildings, but they just sell the materials, they don't do any of the work. I suggested that they go there and ask for a list of contractors, but they haven't done that. It's a shot in the dark if you get a good one or a dud, but it's a place to start looking. They want to hire somebody that their friends have used before, but they don't have any friends that have done this before. It's a very odd conversation with them, but in the end, I'm sure they will figure it out.
If I was wanting to build a metal building, I think I would go there and ask for a list of long time contractors that have been around for awhile. Seems like they are the ones who get the job done. Getting it weathered in would be the main goal, the rest can get done later.
The company that I like to buy my metal roofing from also sells all the metal for metal buildings, but they just sell the materials, they don't do any of the work. I suggested that they go there and ask for a list of contractors, but they haven't done that. It's a shot in the dark if you get a good one or a dud, but it's a place to start looking. They want to hire somebody that their friends have used before, but they don't have any friends that have done this before. It's a very odd conversation with them, but in the end, I'm sure they will figure it out.
If I was wanting to build a metal building, I think I would go there and ask for a list of long time contractors that have been around for awhile. Seems like they are the ones who get the job done. Getting it weathered in would be the main goal, the rest can get done later.
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ETD66SS
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The only metal in my design is in the roofing siding and trim (and the metal brackets/rebar cast into the perma-columns). The rest of it is basically a pole barn made with laminated wood columns, wood roof and floor trusses etc.
I looked into an all metal building but it's not done much up here for residential or personal shops etc. Most everyone up here puts up a pole barn.
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ETD66SS
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Got my water far enough along to have the water company come turn on the water to check for leaks.
Hopefully there are no obstructions in the line anywhere because I already hooked up all the fittings.
I don't want any spigots on the outside of the structure, the yard hydrant will be the only water source outside the building.
Hopefully there are no obstructions in the line anywhere because I already hooked up all the fittings.
I don't want any spigots on the outside of the structure, the yard hydrant will be the only water source outside the building.
ericm979
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Is that for fewer penetrations of the building, or are hydrants better in some way? I'm going to have to make that choice soon.
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ETD66SS
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Fewer penetrations. And just from experience I hardly ever used them on houses I have owned/lived in.
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ETD66SS
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Final grading of the approach, started on the forms for the stone. Ran out of lumber for that, but it was too hot outside today to get my sawmill up and running to mill more lumber. I have not used it yet this year. It's still covered, and a bunch of weeds growing up through it.
The grading worked out well for me doing the vast majority of it by eye. I was only off in areas by about 1 inch form where I wanted to be.
The grading worked out well for me doing the vast majority of it by eye. I was only off in areas by about 1 inch form where I wanted to be.
Carl_NH
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Wow - looking good - looking forward to this build - putting in forms for the stone entrance is treally attention to detail!
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ETD66SS
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I know most people would think it's a waste of time but it makes grading out the stone a lot easier when I have the forms as a guide. Plus with a sawmill and plenty of dead standing Ash trees, the lumber for the forms and stakes only costs a bit in fuel and sweat.
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ETD66SS
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Driveway approach is completed, for now:
Hit a bit of a snag last week. The transmission in my 2013 GMC 3500HD stopped moving. 190k miles, was hoping to stretch that vehicle out past this barndominum build, but had to go buy a new truck:
Took the dealer a week to get this truck for me, not even the color I wanted (wanted black). Also hurts my cashflow for this build project.
It seems like I found a GC, he took all my stamped plans and is getting a building permit and hopefully we can get going with the build soon.
I'm pretty much done with all the site work except a drainage basin and landscaping up to the forms I have in for the approach.
Those forms should last until next year if I need them to, so not in a hurry to get the landscaping done.
Hit a bit of a snag last week. The transmission in my 2013 GMC 3500HD stopped moving. 190k miles, was hoping to stretch that vehicle out past this barndominum build, but had to go buy a new truck:
Took the dealer a week to get this truck for me, not even the color I wanted (wanted black). Also hurts my cashflow for this build project.
It seems like I found a GC, he took all my stamped plans and is getting a building permit and hopefully we can get going with the build soon.
I'm pretty much done with all the site work except a drainage basin and landscaping up to the forms I have in for the approach.
Those forms should last until next year if I need them to, so not in a hurry to get the landscaping done.
EddieWalker
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You have everything so nice and clean looking that you are probably scaring away all the potential contractors!!!!!
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ETD66SS
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I hate working in mud. It's dry now but this soil is really mushy in winter/spring. So trying to keep sod around the perimeter of the build site as much as possible.
Southernspeed
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For me, hydrants are far better as they don't freeze. Any burst pipes I've had are with spigots back freezing. Hydrants drain down to below frost level when you shut them off. I use the Iowa Y34s.
Handloader109
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"Had to go out and buy a new truck" really? And you didn't get what you wanted? Would have been better getting new tranny put in. 10% the cost of that new one. Good luck with the GC.
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ETD66SS
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I'm used to the color I guess, looks better in person than in pictures.
I still want to fix the trans in the 2013 someday, it's just not a good time right now. I didn't realize how many problems the the 6L90E transmissions had until I started researching. I guess I was lucky to get 190k miles.
So I have a GC now, and he got the building permit all setup for me, so just waiting on him and the sub-contractors to get me all their pricing and to get going.
I never anticipated it would be so difficult to get sub-contractors to quote the parts of this job, it has been a nightmare over the last ~2 years
I only have 1 more year before the NYS natural gas ban kicks in, so HAVE to get a structure up to get new gas service installed next year, I'll be pissed if this drags on past that.
I a still looking for things to do pertaining to the site work, so I landscaped on one side of the approach:
I plan to make a concrete catch basin on the other side of the approach with a 13" diameter cast iron grate and flange cast right into the concrete with some all-thread studs or the like. However, the grate and flange are going to take 6 weeks to get, so will be well into Fall weather before I get to that. I don't like how pretty much all the catch basins you can buy are plastic...
Carl_NH
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Is the goal to get the perma columns in, with frame, roof, and sides in before winter? Then wiring/plumbing in over the winter, and pour concrete and finish the inside next year?
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ETD66SS
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I really want the dried in structure done before it gets nasty outside (probably ~2.5 months away). So basically the barn shell with all the doors & windows.
Then I can at least get the gas company to come out and install the meter. They won't budge until there is a roofed and sided structure.
EddieWalker
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What? I've heard stories that some politicians want to ban natural gas, but I didn't know anybody was seriously going to do that!!!! What is the plan to replace it? Are they relying on electric heat to keep everyone alive in winter?
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ETD66SS
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After Dec 31st 2025 no new gas hookups in New York State. All the residents of NYS are at the mercy of the voters in New York City...
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So you have a bit more then a year to get it done in.
I actually switched to a gas (propane) stove because of their damned bullcrap. I had been thinking about it for a while and that was the tipping point.
