Anyone else having problems viewing files?

[aczlan]

Edit, never mind, was just behind on the Groan thread and ran into a page of images from Tuesday that got lost which Ibram mentioned earlier.

Aaron Z

 

[mikester]

Here @ 11 pm - things are still not working correctly. Log in page opens with display of raw data. Same with many posts and no avatars. Looks very much like virus corruption.

403 errors are a server configuration issue

Unfortunately it looks more to do with tracking javascripts not loading

 

[oosik]

This morning I've been all over the site. Everything is working fine again. And the predicted "allmighty storm" that was going to hit us and the midwest appears to have slipped right by us here.

 

[shooterdon]

Glad some of you guys understand this techie stuff.

Now for reality...most of us don't. Suggesting forum users do things to correct a problem that only occurs with this site is asking a lot of guys like me. My first thought is, "How will this affect the other sites I am not having problems with?" TBN is the third most used site for me, so I was prepared to just stop using it.

I was not going to "complain" until the problem happened on two different platforms. Windows 10 and the iPad. So that was a huge red flag that the problem was likely not at my end unless Star Link is causing it. It was comforting to know others had the same issues.

At least the site is working on the laptop now, but the iPad is still not working. Again, I did nothing to "fix" the problem on the laptop. If, as reported, TBN did nothing either, it is puzzling.

 

[/pine]

I get that on occasion on Firefox on android, generally a reload fix is it, I'm assuming something isn't loading correctly with CSS as all the data is there, it's just not formatted correctly.


It can dynamically resize pictures to match your screen size, the site does that.

In theory, you could also have CSS set the current image location so that if the image hosting location changes as it has in the past old posts can be updated with the new image location and all the database needs to store is the unique attachment ID.


Looking at what is loaded for this particular page, I count 14 scripts and it appears to use 5 CSS style sheets with a total of 6,989 rules. It only takes a couple characters to getting changed for the whole thing to stop working.

That's because people often get complacent and skip the basic steps of troubleshooting, then act confused when their problem ends up being something basic.
How many threads have there been on here complaining about how their tractor won't start and it turns out to be either the PTO lever not being quite seated in neutral, on a hydrostatic tractor one of the pedals is just far enough out of the neutral position that it trips the safety and doesn't let it crank?

In theory, you could also have CSS set the current image location so that if the image hosting location changes as it has in the past old posts can be updated with the new image location and all the database needs to store is the unique attachment ID.
The CSS cannot dynamically change..it is a static document..yes it can display X for X browser and Y for Y browser but the CSS code does not change...

Why the complete and total dismissal of clearing cookies and cache as a troubleshooting step then?
If you've already done it great, say so. If you haven't you probably should.

Aaron Z

In theory, you could also have CSS set the current image location so that if the image hosting location changes as it has in the past old posts can be updated with the new image location and all the database needs to store is the unique attachment ID.

The CSS cannot dynamically change..it is a static document..yes it can display X for X browser and Y for Y browser but the CSS code does not change... if the link to an image in the database works for one browser it should work for all...

Why the complete and total dismissal of clearing cookies and cache as a troubleshooting step then?
If you've already done it great, say so. If you haven't you probably should.

Where did this come from?...actually I did all the obvious user end troubleshooting at the onset of experiencing the problem...before I ever mentioned it in a post...I did not mention it until I saw that others were having an issue...

The problem is obviously not effecting all users but the problem does still exist...even if it is only with certain browsers/versions etc...something still changed and it is not on the user end...
If management does not care about fixing the problem (and it IS their problem)..so be it...maybe they have the same attitude as one moderator and hope it never gets fixed for certain users...???

 

[/pine]

Since there are several others that are experiencing the PROBLEM...AND it is ONLY on this site...it is obviously on the site's end...whether they think they changed something or not... something changed on TBN's end and they just don't realize it...
Trying to get users to jump through hoops when the problem is on the server side is just plain lame...no two ways about it...!!!!!!

 

[/pine]

Just curious...has anyone checked all the server logs for errors thrown ??

 

[Torvy]

Since there are several others that are experiencing the PROBLEM...AND it is ONLY on this site...it is obviously on the site's end...whether they think they changed something or not... something changed on TBN's end and they just don't realize it...
Trying to get users to jump through hoops when the problem is on the server side is just plain lame...no two ways about it...!!!!!!

I wish it was that simple. I use 3 different devices to read here. Not 1 problem. Using DDG on 3 different OS. It is not as simple as something had to change at TBN. More likely, something happened at Safari. Safari and Edge share some info, so it is not surprising that people would have problems on both.

 

[/pine]

I wish it was that simple. I use 3 different devices to read here. Not 1 problem. Using DDG on 3 different OS. It is not as simple as something had to change at TBN. More likely, something happened at Safari. Safari and Edge share some info, so it is not surprising that people would have problems on both.

The image parsing issue is also present in versions of Firefox on PCs too...nothing "happened" to user end browsers...something changed at TBN...there is no denying this fact...!

 

[Torvy]

The image parsing issue is also present in versions of Firefox on PCs too...nothing "happened" to user end browsers...something changed at TBN...there is no denying this fact...!

Take it down a notch. I know enough about the topic to know you don't. Assumptions don't solve problems.

If I write code that says to put item X into location y and then the browser code moves y, presto! The problem can easily be explained without anything changing on TBN's end. I don't know if that is the case or not, but neither do you. I do know that it is browser specific. I also know that few coders have different versions for different browsers. Hence, Occam's Razor leans toward a problem with certain browsers rather than anything at TBN. (Otherwise it would affect all of us). It would not be specific to individual systems, but with the browser code. Of course a virus could do the same thing and very well could affect some browsers and not others.

 

[oosik]

No doubt about it. Safari and TBN are not mixing well. Weird log in pages - less than half the avatars are displayed - many pictures and avatars are only small blue square with ? in the center.

Strange - up until about 5 or 6 days ago - Safari worked just fine.

It's beginning to have an effect when I use FireFox also. Several times I have to back out of the thread and then re-enter to get complete display.

 

[/pine]

Take it down a notch. I know enough about the topic to know you don't. Assumptions don't solve problems.

If I write code that says to put item X into location y and then the browser code moves y, presto! The problem can easily be explained without anything changing on TBN's end. I don't know if that is the case or not, but neither do you. I do know that it is browser specific. I also know that few coders have different versions for different browsers. Hence, Occam's Razor leans toward a problem with certain browsers rather than anything at TBN. (Otherwise it would affect all of us). It would not be specific to individual systems, but with the browser code. Of course a virus could do the same thing and very well could affect some browsers and not others.

LMAO...you are the one that obviously doesn't know more about the topic...there is no way a "browser code" changes/moves anything without a physical change either by update or system regression... a browser cannot move files it can only request and display them...

FYI...up until version PHP5 I was quite fluent along with SQL...I wrote lots of applications for HTML interfaces with (mostly) MySQL databases...I know all about testing for comparability issues between browsers and browser versions...All developers went through this when the W3C decided that TABLES were bad and CSS was the way to go...that set off a new wave of browser comparability problems...

As far as this problem goes with Firefox it is version specific...which leads me to think it is a CSS or JS issue...(a browser can only display what is served...)

 

[JasperFrank]

It is a very strange issue. First I'll admit that I know very little about certain areas of CSS. My observation however is that for the past few days, the first access to the site, with Firefox seems to be giving me only HTML and not accessing any CSS files. If I switch threads and look at different areas than the forum, then go back to the forum, somehow the CSS files then get re-linked to the HTML body and the pages are then displayed properly. Its seems the server is having a bit of trouble accessing the CSS files?

 

[Xfaxman]

It is a very strange issue. First I'll admit that I know very little about certain areas of CSS. My observation however is that for the past few days, the first access to the site, with Firefox seems to be giving me only HTML and not accessing any CSS files. If I switch threads and look at different areas than the forum, then go back to the forum, somehow the CSS files then get re-linked to the HTML body and the pages are then displayed properly. Its seems the server is having a bit of trouble accessing the CSS files?

But it works on my ChromeOS.

I signed out and everything worked just fine. Singed in to post this.

 

[oosik]

This morning - things are much better. TBN with FireFox - 100%. TBN with Safari - all is well except almost no avatars. Pictures are fine also. Somebody is making progress - ???

 

[Alan W.]

The counter for my postings has stopped working.
It hasnt updated in a couple of days.

 

[Alan W.]

Well it counted my last one so who knows.
Gremlins I tell ya.

 

[aczlan]

It is a very strange issue. First I'll admit that I know very little about certain areas of CSS. My observation however is that for the past few days, the first access to the site, with Firefox seems to be giving me only HTML and not accessing any CSS files. If I switch threads and look at different areas than the forum, then go back to the forum, somehow the CSS files then get re-linked to the HTML body and the pages are then displayed properly. Its seems the server is having a bit of trouble accessing the CSS files?

I have run into that as well but just on Android/Firefox.
The dynamic part of CSS (where your browser dynamically configures the page to fit on your screen based on the CSS file which as I have been saying can include reformatting image links on the fly) sometimes doesn't load the first time, but always loads the 2nd time
To complicate things, there are not just TBN servers and your browser involved, TBN also uses a 3rd party (Cloudflare?) to do the "heavy lifting" of delivering files from the TBN servers to end user's browsers.

So possible failure points (from TBN tontye end user) include:

1. TBN Servers
2. DNS for TBN servers
3. 3rd party caching servers (Cloudflare or similar)
4. DNS for 3rd party servers
5. Connection issues in the Internet (something misconfigured that is forwarding incorrectly, blocking or dropping a connection in the TBN servers, the caching servers, or the user's ISP)
6. End user DNS
7. End user browser cache
8. End user browser

Some of those will leave traces in the logs that are accessible to Muhammad, Ibrahm (and others at TBN), others will be in the 3rd party servers (which may be accessible, or more likely will require convincing a 3rd party that their servers are broken, getting through helpdesk and to someone able/competent enough to read and understand the logs), others will silently fail and the only noticable effect will be "missing pieces" of the website.

There are enough moving parts involved that it's a wonder it ever works.

Aaron Z

 

[/pine]

FWIW...dug out an old Motorola Xoom pad...runs whatever the latest available version (for the old xoom) of Chrome...uploaded images display OK...but no avatars...

 

[two_bit_score]

Still no pictures showing up! Can see videos but not pictures.

The only avatar visible is /pine.