Alcohol vs marijuana

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   / Alcohol vs marijuana #471  
Some states still have dry counties. Nevada allows prostitution. The Constitution was established with states and individuals having control. If you don't like the laws in your state, it is easier to change on a state level, or you can move to a state that has laws in keeping with your preferences. The more we nationalize, the less freedom and control we have.

Not every one is happy with the legalization of MJ; i.e., Oklahoma and Nebraska. Looks like the Supreme Court will get to mull this over a bit; haven't heard as of yet if they have requested samples. Rumors I have heard suggest that Colorado is disappointed that the revenue deluge turned out to be a trickle, and their own law enforcement is dealing with more DUI's and serious accidents.

Nebraska and Oklahoma Sue Colorado Over Marijuana Law - The New York Times

For the record, I do not favor legalization of recreational MJ, but do favor medicinal use, provided it is prescribed by a physician in extracted form, not smoked. As for victimless crimes, I lost an Aunt and Uncle to a driver high on MJ; they were stopped at a stop light and rear ended at high speed. They were in the rear seat and didn't survive. The driver and front passenger survived, but ran up a hospital bill over one million $. The driver of the offending vehicle and her passenger both survived. She spent six years in prison without parole; don't know what happened to her two small children.

Discussion:

Michael Swartz: Marijuana: When the Rule of Law Goes to Pot — The Patriot Post
 
   / Alcohol vs marijuana #473  
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For the record, I do not favor legalization of recreational MJ, but do favor medicinal use, provided it is prescribed by a physician in extracted form, not smoked. As for victimless crimes, I lost an Aunt and Uncle to a driver high on MJ; they were stopped at a stop light and rear ended at high speed. They were in the rear seat and didn't survive. The driver and front passenger survived, but ran up a hospital bill over one million $. The driver of the offending vehicle and her passenger both survived. She spent six years in prison without parole; don't know what happened to her two small children.

Sorry for you family's loss. That is tragic.

I am all for legalization, across the board.

For medicinal purposes I am for all the barriers to be removed. I have first hand experience in the family dealing with opiates for pain management. I believe it is a sham that in my state, medicinal cannabis is not readily available. It seems that chronic pain management just gets one into an never ending supply of opiates here. That in itself should be a crime.
 
   / Alcohol vs marijuana #474  
Geeze guy...get a clue already...When federal laws prohibit the use, sale, possession etc. of contraband at the same time as individual states are over stepping their legal rights and allowing sale, possession, consumption etc. of the same contraband...THERE IS A PROBLEM...duh!

FYI..."Fixing" the problem has nothing to do with "fighting pot" or going to battle with states that wish to allow the use etc...they merely have to amend the current federal laws and regulations and cede power to the states...
Currently the biggest obstacles facing the several bills currently in congress are dealing with its status as both a medical treatment and or a recreational substance...

The feds are overstepping their limitations. Show me where in the Constitution the feds have the power to regulate this. I'll help you out a bit. Article 1, Section 8:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
?#8201;Article I, Section 8 of the United States Constitution

The power rests with the States and the people:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
10th Amendment to the Constitution
 
   / Alcohol vs marijuana #475  
The feds are following the law. If you don't like what they are doing, change the law. Ignoring laws is never good
See post above.

The Feds are grabbing powers not permitted under the Constitution. If the Feds want the power to control such things, they need to change the Constitution, since that is the document that forbids the Feds from doing what they are doing. As stated previously, the feds recognized they needed a constitutional amendment to ban alcohol (prohibition). Why is/should MJ be viewed differently? What has changed is our acquiescence to federal overreach, if it's something we agree with. But we fight darn hard when it's something we disagree with. (See i.e. second amendment.)
 
   / Alcohol vs marijuana #476  
Not every one is happy with the legalization of MJ; i.e., Oklahoma and Nebraska. Looks like the Supreme Court will get to mull this over a bit; haven't heard as of yet if they have requested samples. Rumors I have heard suggest that Colorado is disappointed that the revenue deluge turned out to be a trickle, and their own law enforcement is dealing with more DUI's and serious accidents.

Nebraska and Oklahoma Sue Colorado Over Marijuana Law - The New York Times

For the record, I do not favor legalization of recreational MJ, but do favor medicinal use, provided it is prescribed by a physician in extracted form, not smoked. As for victimless crimes, I lost an Aunt and Uncle to a driver high on MJ; they were stopped at a stop light and rear ended at high speed. They were in the rear seat and didn't survive. The driver and front passenger survived, but ran up a hospital bill over one million $. The driver of the offending vehicle and her passenger both survived. She spent six years in prison without parole; don't know what happened to her two small children.

Discussion:

Michael Swartz: Marijuana: When the Rule of Law Goes to Pot — The Patriot Post

Sorry for your loss. That was not a victimless crime, as laws prohibit operation of a motor vehicle while impaired. I don't give **** what people do in the privacy of their own home. Nor does the government technically have the right to control that.

Once they venture out on the public roadways, it's game over IMHO as far as permissible conduct.
 
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Marijuana is NEVER going away.........the majority of Americans are for it........more states will legalize it.........the feds need to quite wasting taxpayer money......fighting it is a waste of time and resources.

Pew Poll: 61 Percent Favor Legalization of Marijuana
 
   / Alcohol vs marijuana #478  
What came first, chicken or egg. Federal drug laws were in Place long before states sought to asert a circumvention. As for results of a poll, the answer can be manipulated by the wording of the question. And grand juries indict ham sandwiches. Stated properly by others, if the groundswell for legalization truly exists, it should be simple to modify federal law. The revision of the marriage definition was modified for national application, although by "judicial Legislature" which differs from Congress. So advocates, do some work, stop whinning, if the Country is ready for legalization, go prove it, alter the federal law,
 
   / Alcohol vs marijuana #479  
What came first, chicken or egg. Federal drug laws were in Place long before states sought to asert a circumvention. As for results of a poll, the answer can be manipulated by the wording of the question. And grand juries indict ham sandwiches. Stated properly by others, if the groundswell for legalization truly exists, it should be simple to modify federal law. The revision of the marriage definition was modified for national application, although by "judicial Legislature" which differs from Congress. So advocates, do some work, stop whinning, if the Country is ready for legalization, go prove it, alter the federal law,

Well citizens usually start at their government level. I think enough states have set precedence for the Federal government to take a more serious look at the entire MJ eco-system.
 
   / Alcohol vs marijuana #480  
The feds are overstepping their limitations. Show me where in the Constitution the feds have the power to regulate this. I'll help you out a bit. Article 1, Section 8:
The power rests with the States and the people:
Not my job mon...
I'm just stating what is currently federal laws...Why should I have to make a case for said laws?...I am NOT the feds...

Then why has it not been taken to the SCOTUS to be determined constitutional or not?
 
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