Alberta Solar

[Egon]

Hate to disappoint but all those power plants connected together do the same thing, if one plant is shut down the others can make up the difference, and yes, they do it at night and when the wind is not blowing. The same power lines you plan on using for your solar grid is the same that the fossil fueled plants are using.

So where does the excess power come from?
One plant down means another plant of equal size must come online. You're saying there's full plant backup.

Does the wind not blow over the entire country at the same time?

You may also note that greater distribution means less power line loss and less disruption if a major line is effected.

 

[tcartwri]

So where does the excess power come from?
One plant down means another plant of equal size must come online. You're saying there's full plant backup.

Does the wind not blow over the entire country at the same time?

You may also note that greater distribution means less power line loss and less disruption if a major line is effected.

This "excess" power has been going on long before renewables were added. Blaming it on the wind and the sun is hilarious.

 

[Egon]

This "excess" power has been going on long before renewables were added. Blaming it on the wind and the sun is hilarious.

So it is.

 

[tcartwri]

So it is.

Ask Labrador about excess power and short sighted energy contracts.

 

[buickanddeere]

All this is done with no down time? All repairs can be made with standby units switched online. When major rebuild time comes around how long do the plants stay down?

Is the back up the same as spinning reserves?

Spinning reserve is an entire 600Mw coal plant or Natural Gas at full temperature , full pressure and full speed but carrying very little load. Something like having a 200HP diesel tractor sitting in the yard running full rpm in neutral . While the 200HP solar or wind tractor in the field fails.
The 2x 100% or 3 x 50% would be for example a end shield cooling system . It has two coolers each large enough to disipate 100% of the heat. And two out of the three installed pumps flow enough coolant.
If one of the coolers needs the silt cleaned out or inspected . Switch to the other . If one of the running pump's seals start to leak. Switch and valve in the 3rd pump and service the leaker.

 

[buickanddeere]

But it does happen. The plants also need scheduled maintenance shutdowns. Major distribution lines from one central point can also be affected by weather. A distributed supply source would have alternatives possible.

Already have that. I don't understand what you believe the current distribution grid is and what this distributed supply is that you keep talking about .

 

[buickanddeere]

It's still on the latest books from the Auditor general, sitting at $12B. That debt has been paid at least twice over in interest. Nuclear is one of the MAIN reasons Ontario has the debt problem it has.

How much debt does Ontario have ? Which debt? Ontario Governemt Debt or OPG debt ? OPG always has to have debt due to legislation. All capital projects are via borrowed money . Once the project starts up and produces power, OPG starts paying back their debt. The cost of OPG debt does not even register compared to Ontario debt.
Do you know of anybody here that borrows $$$ for seed, fuel, fertilizer and spray. Then pays it back once the crop is harvested? What is the difference between that and OPG ?

 

[buickanddeere]

This "excess" power has been going on long before renewables were added. Blaming it on the wind and the sun is hilarious.

Just looked at sygration this morning. The wholesale price the entire day is zero to sub zero. Yet wind, solar, gas and native hydro electric are being paid full subsidized wholesale price .While Hydro One is paying NY and Michigan to take the power.
Demand is down in the province because the increased electrical rates have driven industry out.
Pay wind, solar, NG and native hydro electric the actual wholesale grid rate and let see what happens.
Where did you and Egon get the idea that the ideal method to make electricity is expensive wind , natural gas and solar . Then have cheaper conventional nuclear and hydro electric backup the green power ?

 

[tcartwri]

Then have cheaper conventional nuclear and hydro electric backup the green power ?

The whole point is that Nuclear is just about the most expensive option... in Ontario. You cannot debate that. The cost to run those plants and maintain them has nothing to do with the end cost to the consumer.

 

[tcartwri]

How mich debt does Ontario have ? Which debt? Ontario Governemt Debt or OPG debt ? OPG always has to have debt due to legislation. All capital projects are via borrowed money . Once the project starts up and produces power, OPG starts paying back their debt. The cost of OPG debt does not even register compared to Ontario debt.
Do you know of anybody here that borrows $$$ for seed, fuel, fertilizer and spray. Then pays it back once the crop is harvested? What is the difference between that and OPG ?

Ontario debt. You're either clueless or you are deliberately promoting misinformation.