Alberta Solar

[Egon]

And btw what are we supposed to do with the extra power that we paid a subsidized wholesale rate for. On nights , weekends and just about anytime spring and fall. When base load generation supplies the entire grid demand .

So, the alternatives can supply electrical power. Seems the "grid" may not be flexible enough to properly distribute the power available. Is that because it's in need of serious upgrading?

 

[buickanddeere]

So, the alternatives can supply electrical power. Seems the "grid" may not be flexible enough to properly distribute the power available. Is that because it's in need of serious upgrading?

??? Not at all. It's about the wholesale grid price at various time of day and year.
It's like the price of oil in Saudi affects the price of WTIC. Doesn't mater if there is transportation.

 

[tcartwri]

Better check your numbers on the subsidized price . And btw what are we supposed to do with the extra power that we paid a subsidized wholesale rate for. On nights , weekends and just about anytime spring and fall. When base load generation supplies the entire grid demand .
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That's only for 10 to 500 kW farms. He builds industrial sites of up to 20 MW.

I don't understand your comment about the off peak production. They ( we ) are only paid for what is produced, and it is almost always at peak demand.

 

[tcartwri]

This is one of his sites. 15 MW

15 MW Farm in Edwards ON

 

[rmorey]

Our situation is a little different. We were told by Ontario Hydro, that power was $150,000 due south of us, so we put in an off grid, 4kW PV system, dual 4kW, 240v inverters, 2,200 ah battery bank and a 14 kW generator, all for just under $30k. Our ROI was right side up, the day we flipped the switch. :thumbsup:

 

[buickanddeere]

That's only for 10 to 500 kW farms. He builds industrial sites of up to 20 MW.

I don't understand your comment about the off peak production. They ( we ) are only paid for what is produced, and it is almost always at peak demand.

Check the wholesale price of power , demand and production at sygration.com or IESO Power Data

Why are we paying solar between 40 cents to 80.2 cents and wind 13.5 cents when the whole sale grid price is between 0 to 4 cents ? Then paying newyork and Michigan to take the surplus power ?

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[tcartwri]

Check the wholesale price of power , demand and production at sygration.com or IESO Power Data

Why are we paying solar between 40 cents to 80.2 cents and wind 13.5 cents when the whole sale grid price is between 0 to 4 cents ? Then paying newyork and Michigan to take the surplus power ?

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You could ask the nuclear guys the same question.

The original offering of 80 was to get things rolling, which it did with a vengeance. Personally I think they totally underestimated the capability of the common person to put one of these systems in. Sure there were allot of people paying $100K for someone to do it for them.... But there were also allot of people like myself who had the experience and the skill to do it for a little over a third of that.

Then the Chinese flooded the market with panels and invertors at a third of the North American price, and that's when everyone went bankrupt.

So you may complain about the money they are paying some early generators, but it had a huge effect on the industry and the cost of current systems. And it's still coming down.

 

[Egon]

??? Not at all. It's about the wholesale grid price at various time of day and year.
It's like the price of oil in Saudi affects the price of WTIC. Doesn't mater if there is transportation.

So you get back to supply & demand which is a grid issue.

 

[buickanddeere]

You could ask the nuclear guys the same question.

The original offering of 80 was to get things rolling, which it did with a vengeance. Personally I think they totally underestimated the capability of the common person to put one of these systems in. Sure there were allot of people paying $100K for someone to do it for them.... But there were also allot of people like myself who had the experience and the skill to do it for a little over a third of that.

Then the Chinese flooded the market with panels and invertors at a third of the North American price, and that's when everyone went bankrupt.

So you may complain about the money they are paying some early generators, but it had a huge effect on the industry and the cost of current systems. And it's still coming down.

Given that you are raking in 80.2 cents , your judgement maybe biased towards solar.
We are still stuck with excess production from subsidized solar , wind and NG. Which is driving the wholesale rate for nuclear and hydro electric to zero. And costing the rate payer fees to dump the extra in NY and Michigan.
Would it not be better to increase the wholesale price by the billion plus paid in 2014 and give that billion to Ontario producers . Instead of giving the electricity away for free and paying the billion in fees to US utilities ?

 

[buickanddeere]

So you get back to supply & demand which is a grid issue.

Grid issues have zero to do with supply and demand. No more than oil tankers set the price of Saudi oil.