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I would have assumed that low end torque is needed to get the heavy weight to begin to move, I don't know of anyone that has all the 45d's 45e's, 55d's, and 55e's on hand but the dealer, to compare them between themselves. I don't always trust the dealer's advice, you know what I mean. " Yeah you'll need a bigger tractor ", ..you know what I mean.. then comes the $$$$ with them..
 
Without a loader I wouldn't be as apt to get the 5045e over the 5045d, but the 4wd would give a bit more pulling power for hauling those logs. Also, the transmission on the 5045e is MUCH nicer. Having the synchronized transmission is a huge plus IMO. If I were just looking for a tractor to do hay work or other light field work I'd probably go with the 2wd model. For what you describe the 4wd would definitely be beneficial.
 
I do plan on pulling heavy red oak logs, from time to time. Plowing, and tillage work is my main intentions with this tractor. A lot of two wheel drive tractors have shown to me, they got the job done, Do you think a 2 wheel drive will do? Thanks, $6,000.00 is quite a bit more, plus I plan on getting a plow, tiller, spreader, etc in the near future to...If I honesty believe the 4wd is the wiser choice then I would, but if 2wd is adequate, then ok. I mean the hp is the same, still has locking diffs. 8f4r trans, I'm a truck driver, so I do my research when I can. I also considered the 5065e 2wd, what do you think about that. I live in Logan Co., WV
 
The more I hear your intentions, the more I think you will benefit from 4wd. To me, the difference is night and day. :thumbsup:
 
I run a cut, not ag, but I can easily see why many small tractors come with mfwd. Notably, I was using a box blade on an old arena, and the sand required extra traction. Also, even if you get a loader someday, which I think a lot of guys recommend, it is very helpful. We just planted trees by the side of a road so I have been moving dirt and mulch. Without 4wd, the project would have taken a lot longer, because I could go in front first. I am sure that on a bigger tractor the need becomes less though. But even though I have thought many options such as this to be extravagant, it is a tool and I think it should be as well equipped as possible...
 
I do plan on pulling heavy red oak logs, from time to time. Plowing, and tillage work is my main intentions with this tractor. A lot of two wheel drive tractors have shown to me, they got the job done, Do you think a 2 wheel drive will do? Thanks, $6,000.00 is quite a bit more, plus I plan on getting a plow, tiller, spreader, etc in the near future to...If I honesty believe the 4wd is the wiser choice then I would, but if 2wd is adequate, then ok. I mean the hp is the same, still has locking diffs. 8f4r trans, I'm a truck driver, so I do my research when I can. I also considered the 5065e 2wd, what do you think about that. I live in Logan Co., WV



If this is your only tractor then I would get 4x4, there are lots of uses where a 4x2 tractor will suffice but working in the woods pulling trees is not one of them. Years ago everyone had 4x2 tractors and they got the job done, but the 4x4 tractors are much better and available today. In the past all of my tractors were 4x2 and so were the various trucks. Now all the trucks and tractors I have bought in the last 12 years have been 4x4 because it makes such a difference in what I can do.
 
With a good amount of ballast (rear wheel weights, fluid filled tires) a 2wd 5045d would have no trouble pulling a 2 bottom plow, 7' disc, tiller, or a 6' box blade. The key to 2wd is proper ballasting. The 5065e is a little step up as I believe it is slightly heavier, and it also has the better 9F/3R transmission. I noticed you said you were from WV, how steep is the terrain where you live? That is also an important factor. If it is fairly hilly or mountainous then the 4wd would definitely get my vote.

We have one 2wd tractor that we use a lot and it is a JD 2550, 65 hp and weighs about 10,000lbs fully ballasted. It does good on most hills unless you have to back up a hill, then it is pretty tough. It would pull the size logs you talk about without much trouble, but it is also a lot more tractor than the 5000d or e series. Basically the only way to make up for 2wd is A LOT of weight.
 
Go with the 4WD. Started out the with a 2WD. Read all the posts, grew up on 2WD machines and thought since I was getting a 50 HP tractor it would be comparable to the old 50 HP machine. I was wrong. I had a 2WD 5105 which is very similar to the 5045. I now have a JD 5303 4WD and am much happier with this unit. If the 5105 had been 4WD I believe I would have stayed with it. Having now had both, I don't believe I would go back to a 2WD.

As for pricing, I have seen several good used units for sale on Tractor House. Recently found a 2008 JD 5303 4WD with FEL for around $22,000. You may also find a dealer selling these and be able to work out a trade that way too.
 
This will be my first tractor. I again went over to the John Deere dealer today, with a friend. I again looked the 2wd over, and the 4wd 5045e over. The 2wd is $15,000.00, the JD tiller I may get is $3,100.00, plus a good plow, and Equipment trailer as well..(As well as all the other attachments) Somewhere around $20,000.00 dollars. I still have to buy the property, but in my financial situation, the tractor will come first, then the property, then a house, etc... I will use it where I currently live, but I am going to be moving up north in the near future, unless something happens. When I get the new piece of land, I would also like to not be owing on the land, then go finance a tractor. I should already have the tool payed for to work the land. That way I can focus on paying off the land, as I work it. One thing at a time basically. As for the topography of the land, hilly in places, steep in places, flat in places. I won't likely be taking the tractor in the steep areas, just for safetly reasons, the JD's have a lot of ground clearance, don't know about center of gravity on them. Buying the $21,000.00-$23,000.00 5045e is going to cost me $6,000 more than the $15,000.00 / Tractor = $ 23,000.00 + Equipment trailer = $1200.00-$2500.00 + Tiller = $3100.00 + plow = $1200.00 - Grand Total $ 29,000.00 ( This does not include other attachments, and items such as, rotary cutter, spreader, seeder, manure spreader, harvester, etc..) which will be made later on as a second purchase.. I have considered used equipment, but somethings, will need to be new..... Experienced advise is appreciated, and respected. So, I thank you for your honest account from experience what any of you believe you would do, again from your experiences. It would be nice to operate both of these machines I am looking at, to know first hand, what I discerned to be adequate for myself. I don't plan on taking the tractor off roading per say, but to lug around some downed oaks, and fresh cut oaks for fire wood, and stuff.. Yes 4wd would probably make it easier, but living in WV, all my life, off roading quite a bit with lots of ATV's,and pickups. I can see the benefits of 4wd on an ATV,and pickup truck. I don't think I would ever by an ATV that was 2wd, but a tractor I don't know. I have never owned a tractor. So experienced tractor operators, that have worked with both are sought after, for insight, and advise, again thanks for being transparent on these bloggs.. A side by side comparison, of advantages of the two between themselves would be great. Benefits of one over the other, good, and bads.. I'm a working man, not a money seeking man. I'd rather work, than make money, If I spend my money, if it isn't feeding the hungry, it's on something that I can do some work with..my mouth craves it from me.. So, If $6,000.00 more is what is better in the long run, and more practical, then that's what I would do, but if it is like buying an automatic transmission, over a manual, or power door locks, over the manual basic kind, or leather over cloth, then give me the 2wd. The easier you make it labor wise, the more stressfull, and vexing it becomes it seems..
 
Get the E version buy more used equipment to offset diference in cost or spread it out over time instead of one big purchase. You will be disappointed hauling logs with a 2wd. The extra traction provided by mfwd will be like adding hp
 
If you can afford the 4WD unit go with it. Pulling a downed tree out for firewood was one of the first situations I encountered with my 5105 2WD where I was suprised at the loss of traction. I managed to get the tree out, just had to do a little more snatching on it than I preferred. I don't regret having owned the 2WD. It worked ok for most situations. It just isn't comparable to the 4WD unit. If purchasing new, be sure to opt for the largest rear tire size possible.
 
how do you send pics, I want to point something out to you guys, thanks.. lay it out step by step if you would, I want to show you guys something, and ask your opinon.. thanks
 
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Just remember, there are appropriate jobs for 2WD units, but when you look at what is on the lots new and what prices are for used, you will quickly see what is most desired. Some will buy because it is trendy, but I don't see this crowd buying tractors just because it is the thing to do at the time. I recently saw a Craigslist add locally for a barely used 50 HP Kubota with FEL for sale for a very good price. Add read that tractor in like new condition, no known problems. Reason for sale...want to purchase 4WD tractor.
 
Notice the rust on the 2605, on the two hoses, and on the front end, the paint job on the 2600 series doesn't seem to be on par with the John Deere's I have looked at. I notice the Kubota has a good fit, and finish, but their M5640SU model, frame paint was faded on the display models at the dealership... The 1600 series tractors from Massey Ferguson seem to have a better paint job, than the 2605,2615,2625, I looked at a Massey Ferguson 2635, and it's paint job seemed a little better. Anyone know why this maybe. I know they all tend to have some surface rust, but some of the used 2605's on tractor house seem to have more, than I would desire..
 

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Anyone know about the quality of the steel used in these tractors, what grade, so on etc.. any tips on how to fix this.. The John Deere's don't seem to be bad for this, even on their used model's when the paint peels, the rust doesn't seem to be that bad on John Deere's as with some other brands. I am not saying the Massey Ferguson tractors are cheap, or anything. I am not sure this is the case. I notice in the 2600 series line, some have gray, and some have black frames. I noticed some pictures of the John Deere's tractors, that were the predecessors to the 5045e, would break in half, if they took a hard rollover, where the front, and rear end bolts together on the transmission..I noticed this with other John Deere compact tractors. They would break in half if they took a hard rollover. This doesn't discourage me from buying John Deere. The Massey Ferguson 2650HD's seem to have a better paint coat on them, that the 2600 series, but the exhaust stack, seems to have a bit of surface rust from sitting out in the wheather at dealerships..
 
I don't want a tractor covered in surface rust after about 5years of ownership. Mechanically I believe John Deere, and Massey Ferguson are about the two best brands to choose from. It also seems to me that the John Deere 5045 model's rear ends are high up off the ground a bit, while the Massey Ferguson 2600 series tractors all sit lower to the ground. I have tried to watch some video's on youtube, of this modle of John Deere plowing, or it's close predessors to see how well it does with a good plow. It also seems that the Massey Ferguson's work better with plows to plow. Any insight? I evaluate this quite thoroughly, so that the money I spend, might be invested wisely, and adequately..
 
This is some pictures of the 5045d, the paint coating, and the rear end of how it sits in porportion to the ground
 

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This is some pictures of some of the other tractors I have been considering, the 2615 4wd, John Deere 5065e 2wd, Massey Ferguson 2605 2wd, Massey Ferguson 2635 4wd
 

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There are other tractors, such as the 2650HD 2wd, MF2605 4wd, these are some pictures of some of the property's I have been looking at, these are just some pictures to give some idea
 

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