4wd tractor vs 2wd

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/ 4wd tractor vs 2wd #21  
Brian,
On one of these forums is was stated to be a good idea to shift 4wd to 2wd every now and then. I shift mine back to 2wd then back to 4wd about every other time I am working her.:D
hugs, Brandi

Brandi, while shifting back and forth from 2WD-4WD every once in a while is probably a good idea, I think that the tractors that need it done would be the tractors where the shifting is actually done electronically. Those of us that have mechanical linkage to shift in & out of 4x4 most likely don't need to worry as much about these things. :cool:

One other thing, I never thought of THE RED BEAST as a her.
 
/ 4wd tractor vs 2wd #24  
Brandi, while shifting back and forth from 2WD-4WD every once in a while is probably a good idea, I think that the tractors that need it done would be the tractors where the shifting is actually done electronically. Those of us that have mechanical linkage to shift in & out of 4x4 most likely don't need to worry as much about these things. :cool:

One other thing, I never thought of THE RED BEAST as a her.

Brain,
Mechanical linkages that do not get operated every now and then tend to get stiff and "freeze" in place.;)
If I called the Big RED Beast a "he" or "him":confused2:, Booger might get jealous:drool:.
hugs, Brandi
 
/ 4wd tractor vs 2wd #26  
I have owned several 4wd tractors and the only reason I have found about the stiffness or not wanting to come out of gear is that when you are pulling and stop, the gears still have pressure on them. if you just backup a bit while gently moving the lever, it will come right out. If you are turning a corner and just stop and put the clutch in, the front tires are making a farther run than the rears thereby putting a strain on the drivetrain. Even then, just backing while moving the lever will release the gear strain. I never stop my tractors while engaging or disengaging, except while spinning the rears. Never try to engage if you are spinning.
 
/ 4wd tractor vs 2wd #27  
I am not sure 4wd on a tractor works the same, as 4wd on a pickup truck. Unless the tires are the same size, the rear tire of the tractor is much larger than the front. The tractor usually is designed with most of the weight on the rear, a pickup truck is almost the opposite, with tires of equal size. The tractor is designed to pull with the large rear tires, and basically only steer with the front. I have never noticed in any where 4wd ever helped a tractor stuck in the mud, or pull a plow. I am not saying it doesn't, but there is no obvious difference, like with a pickup truck. The mechanics, just aren't the same. A tractor just isn't designed like a 4x4 truck. There is a video on Youtube, that takes two Zeto tractors one is 2wd, and the other is 4wd, they are basically the same tractor. The 2wd tractor goes wherever the 4wd tractor does. They do a fairly good comparison in the woods on log roads, the 4wd doesn't show any advantages. The video is in like bulgarian, or something, but you can clearly see the comparison on the video on youtube. Just type in "2wd tractor vs 4wd tractor, they should be Zeto tractors. I read another article that stated that 4wd on tractors is only profitable on the larger tractors, with the front tires being the same equal size as the rear. A smaller front tire, apparantly won't really help. In other words, wherever a 2wd tractor will get stuck up, the 4wd tractor will too, only instead of 2 wheels spinning there will be 4. I have watched a lot of video's to see if I could noticed any difference, and I wasn't able to find any video's that show any difference in traction improvement with a 4wd over a 2wd. If anyone has the same tractor with one being 2wd, and the other 4wd. Same engine size, everything, and has compareded them in the same enviroment, under the same conditions, doing the same work, and knows if there is any noticable difference, your imput is appreciated. Loader work, maybe an exception, because of the weight, and load, the bucket may have on it, forcing the weight to be placed over the front tires, to create traction. A none loader 4wd tractor, I am not so sure 4wd makes a difference. Some tractors are lighter in portion to the rest of the tractors in their fronts, than other makes, or models. R1 tires get better traction than R4, or turf. Tractor is translated as traction. Tractors are designed, or originally rather, to pull. To obtain traction, and pull is the tractors original design purpose. Two massive large ag tires, are all they need really. Just two to steer is all the front was intended for. When more weight is placed on the front of some tractors, the weight balance design, is shifted taking weight off the tractors main two wheels of traction. Depending on location, and soil conditions, the weight of the tractor plays a vital part in the tractor obtaining traction. Heavier tractors can pull heavier loads generally, if the soil for example isn't to moist, wet, or damp. Heavier tractors will get stuck in wet soil, quicker than lighter tractors, but a lighter tractor generally won't pull as heavy as load, as the heavier tractor if the soil is hard enough for the tractor to get traction. Compact tractors are usually about a 1000lbs lighter than the 4,000 lb, and up small farm tractors, like the little grey fergie, ford 8n, etc.. they only have about 20-30hp, while some compacts push 60hp, but their weights aren't as heavy, so they spin. Heavier tractors can get the weight moving, because of the counter balance of the tractor itself. Tractors have place for weights to be added on the rear, and front. The Front usually is to help counter balance the the tractor, while when a tractor is pulling a heavy load, it's weight is being used as a counter balance to pull the weight of whatever it is trying to pull. The weights on the tractor are used to keep the tractor itself balanced, to direct the force of the torque, back towards the ground, on the rear tires, to again obtain traction. Notice tractors will raise up in the front, if there isn't a counter balance. like with weights. If tractors have too much weight on the front of the tractor in wet soil conditions, the tractor can create ruts for itself, and get stuck easier. I believe 4wd on tractors, may actually cause them to do the same,and to get stuck in wet soil conditions, than help them out,because of the weight of the front axle housing, and tires. Anyone who disagree's, their experience, and insight is appreciated.thanks hope this helps
 
/ 4wd tractor vs 2wd #28  
I would also like to state, that according to an article about 2wd tractors, and 4wd tractors. Over a particular set distance, say 0-80 acres. Two large tractors were used. Same size tractors, one was 4wd, the other 2wd. They were place on seperate fields to plow. The tractors both traveled at the same speed. The 4wd tractor plowed 80 acres in 10hrs, and the 2wd plowed 40 acres in 10hrs. The 4wd tractor with front tires of equal size, had less wheelspin, and in other words didn't travel as far, as the 2wd. The 2wd had a lot more wheelspin, because it didn't get as much traction, causing there to be more rotation in the tire, hence wheelspin. To the small farmers, this may not be necessary a 4wd tractor. This doesn't mean 4wd helps in muddy conditions, because it actually probably doesn't help. In farming for profit, it probably does make a difference though. 80 acres a day, vs 40 acres a day..
 
/ 4wd tractor vs 2wd #29  
There are times when my 4110 won't pull a disk or plow in 2wd. I drop into 4wd and go like crazy.

I also have JD B, G and 50. They mostly collect dust.

Never again a 2wd tractor for me!
((I'll never be without a FEL either))
 
/ 4wd tractor vs 2wd #30  
You said:
I have watched a lot of video's to see if I could noticed any difference, and I wasn't able to find any video's that show any difference in traction improvement with a 4wd over a 2wd. If anyone has the same tractor with one being 2wd, and the other 4wd. Same engine size, everything, and has compareded them in the same enviroment, under the same conditions, doing the same work, and knows if there is any noticable difference, your imput is appreciated. Loader work, maybe an exception, because of the weight, and load, the bucket may have on it, forcing the weight to be placed over the front tires, to create traction. A none loader 4wd tractor, I am not so sure 4wd makes a difference.


It realy dont take an Einstien to figure this one out, :confused2: Anyone that has used 2-wheel and 4-wheel drive tractors will tell you there is a BIG differnts. And I will say there is a BIG differnts between the two.
You watched a video:confused:. The old saying "Dont believe anything you hear and believe half what you see". Especialy from a selling point of view.
 
/ 4wd tractor vs 2wd #31  
Type in 2wd vs 4wd tractor on youtube in the search, it should be the first video, or second one, it also include the word "Zetor " this is a brand of tractor. I am not so sure 4wd is all that big of a difference in tractors. I am not saying your lying, but I am not so persuaded.
 
/ 4wd tractor vs 2wd #32  
Now if your talking about offroading in a truck, or atv, I would say 4wd is a major advantage with differential locks. A limited slip rear differential is sometimes better than a differential lock, is some slippery conditions. Because the front tire of the tractor (generally smaller), travels farther, than the rear tire, to go the same distance. On an atv, or pickup, the weight of the vehicle is closer to equal, than with a tractor. Notice how putting a load in the back of pickup causes the rear to spin less, in winter conditions ? Reverse this, and that appears to be the concept with a tractor. I believe alot of what I am saying applies. Whether 4wd is a real advantage or benefit, worth having I don't know, because I don't own either a 2wd, or 4wd tractor. I plan on getting one hopefully. I was looking at the Massey Ferguson 2605.
 
/ 4wd tractor vs 2wd #33  
Now if your talking about offroading in a truck, or atv, I would say 4wd is a major advantage with differential locks. A limited slip rear differential is sometimes better than a differential lock, is some slippery conditions. Because the front tire of the tractor (generally smaller), travels farther, than the rear tire, to go the same distance. On an atv, or pickup, the weight of the vehicle is closer to equal, than with a tractor. Notice how putting a load in the back of pickup causes the rear to spin less, in winter conditions ? Reverse this, and that appears to be the concept with a tractor. I believe alot of what I am saying applies. Whether 4wd is a real advantage or benefit, worth having I don't know, because I don't own either a 2wd, or 4wd tractor. I plan on getting one hopefully. I was looking at the Massey Ferguson 2605.


If your talking about gearing of the axles, the gearing makes up the differnts, trucks have the same gearing on both axles, tractors with differnt size tires use differnt gearing to make the wheels travle the same distances without working against each other. Unless someone has changed the tire figuration. When buying a new tractor like Mahindra, we have the option to have Ag tires or Industrial tires, Ag tires are taller and slim, and Industrail tires are not as tall but wider with a smooth clet, But both set of tires will work together and not try to work against each other when in 4-wheel drive. If you have a 4x4 tractor, put it in 4-wheel drive and find some sand to drive on and you will see that the front and rear tires will not work against each other.

Next time you go to the Massey Ferguson place ask the sells person or maybe a mechanic, And by the way MF has some good tractors, and good luck with that.
 
/ 4wd tractor vs 2wd #34  
You said:
I have watched a lot of video's to see if I could noticed any difference, and I wasn't able to find any video's that show any difference in traction improvement with a 4wd over a 2wd. If anyone has the same tractor with one being 2wd, and the other 4wd. Same engine size, everything, and has compareded them in the same enviroment, under the same conditions, doing the same work, and knows if there is any noticable difference, your imput is appreciated. Loader work, maybe an exception, because of the weight, and load, the bucket may have on it, forcing the weight to be placed over the front tires, to create traction. A none loader 4wd tractor, I am not so sure 4wd makes a difference.


It realy dont take an Einstien to figure this one out, :confused2: Anyone that has used 2-wheel and 4-wheel drive tractors will tell you there is a BIG differnts. And I will say there is a BIG differnts between the two.
You watched a video:confused:. The old saying "Dont believe anything you hear and believe half what you see". Especialy from a selling point of view.
Those tractors in the video aren't working, but playing. What it proves to me is: whether 2wd, or 4wd, spinning wheels to gain traction is pretty stupid. YouTube - 2WD Zetor vs. 4WD Zetor
 
/ 4wd tractor vs 2wd #36  
Shannon, I would recommend you buy a 2wd tractor. You are convinced that is the way to go, and you will save money. When time and again the front wheels are stuck in a small depression, you can console yourself with all the money you saved. Then you can dump the load from your bucket, and push yourself out of the hole. Then have your neighbor come over with a smaller 4wd and do your project, without him becoming frustrated.

Somebody has to buy the 2wds.
 
/ 4wd tractor vs 2wd #37  
Not 100% sure what your trying to say here:confused:

My main point is, the video is not relative to real life. Who is going to be driving into a muddy creek, and spin their tires to gain traction? I learned you drive slowly out of such situations.
 
/ 4wd tractor vs 2wd #38  
I would also like to state, that according to an article about 2wd tractors, and 4wd tractors. Over a particular set distance, say 0-80 acres. Two large tractors were used. Same size tractors, one was 4wd, the other 2wd. They were place on seperate fields to plow. The tractors both traveled at the same speed. The 4wd tractor plowed 80 acres in 10hrs, and the 2wd plowed 40 acres in 10hrs. The 4wd tractor with front tires of equal size, had less wheelspin, and in other words didn't travel as far, as the 2wd. The 2wd had a lot more wheelspin, because it didn't get as much traction, causing there to be more rotation in the tire, hence wheelspin. To the small farmers, this may not be necessary a 4wd tractor. This doesn't mean 4wd helps in muddy conditions, because it actually probably doesn't help. In farming for profit, it probably does make a difference though. 80 acres a day, vs 40 acres a day..
So, do you want to spend more time than necessary to get a job done?
 
/ 4wd tractor vs 2wd #39  
all that video tells me is dont leave the keys in your tractor all i thought about was how much work i could of done with that fuel at 4.06 a gallon
 
/ 4wd tractor vs 2wd #40  
A 2wd tractor is like shoveling snow while you're standing on ice.

You get the picture....
 
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