45 degrees is steep

[SpringHollow]

Carl's and my tractor were used to mow the sides of ammo depots

 

[CalG]

Slid'in crab wise!

Tain't mowin' more like just getting after it.

 

[ptsg]

I encourage you to have another look at the video posted by @MossRoad. These are not just demonstrations. People do work sideways. I have actually mowed some of the same slopes at the factory. Being able to do figure eights on a slope with the mower is a big confidence builder in the abilities of the tractor.

Actually many of us own these tractors because our slopes are that steep and we value our lives. Yes, if it is wet the tractor can and does slide sideways a bit. You can see it in the video @MossRoad posted. I use chains to reduce slipping when I have to mow plants with gooey sap like thistle, or the slopes are muddy.

The 1850 is often used to maintain the steep face of earth dams.

I did watch the video, however, videos can be very misleading, specially when the camera tends to tilt one way so it looks steeper. Unfortunately, that's a common practice, regardless of what's being demonstrated.

As I said, those demonstrations just prove that these machines will hold those kind of angles without flipping over. Working on those angles, it's a totally different thing. Up to 35 to 40 degrees? Yes sure. Above that, it will simply slide all over the place. Just look at those "spider" excavators we have in Europe. Those things work at 45 degrees and above, but, they are being held in place with a steel cable and good anchor at the top of the hill.

I too have worked on some steep hills with my conventional tractors, yes mostly up and down. With a Antonio Carraro tractor, like I showed on the pictured, I could probably do it sideways.

These tractors exist and fill a niche not served by other tractors. (For which some of us are very thankful.)

All the best,

Peter

Maybe in the US is that way. But hey, that's why they sell the PT in the US and on in Europe or any other markets.

For us, here in Europe, it's just an huge machine for what it does and couldn't fit most of our places. We have specialized tractors that will be more efficient at a much more compact size and will still be capable of doing conventional tractor work, like pulling trailers on the road, plowing a field, pulling a ripper, etc.

I have nothing against the PT machine by the way. Don't get me wrong. I'm sure it works well for what it is.

 

[MossRoad]

Carl's and my tractor were used to mow the sides of ammo depots

CA-BOOM!

 

[MossRoad]

Hang on for the ride...

 

[5030]

Was wondering how the engines maintain lubrication at those angles? Dry sump maybe?

 

[Egon]

Swiss Alpine haying.

 

[MossRoad]

Was wondering how the engines maintain lubrication at those angles? Dry sump maybe?

Not sure. They are Deutz oil cooled engines.

 

[5030]

Not sure. They are Deutz oil cooled engines.

Almost have to be dry sump pressure lubed engines. At that angle, all the sump oil would be on the side of the oil pan and nowhere near the pump pickup. Interesting video. I bet the guy on the Gravely (or whatever it was), pooped his drawers when he slid sideways down the hill....lol

 

[MossRoad]

I wish it had sound. Probably some choice comments.

 

[Midniteoyl]

might check your engine specs. my excavator limits engine to 28 degrees

PIcked up a freebie Craftsman LT1000 due to a guy not understanding this. Only 3 months old. Put in an old B&S Industrial and it's still going today, 12yrs later.

 

[oosik]

I have one place on my property where the slope is 40 degrees. The remainder of the 80 acres is rolling or a total vertical drop. I started across the 40 degree slope with my Kubota M6040. The "tingling sensation" in my butt got so bad - I immediately backed out of the situation.

I just might have made it. However - my thought, one tiny depression, rock or hole - over I go. The completed challenge is simply not worth the potential risks.

 

[ponytug]

Yes videos can be misleading. No question. I think the point that I am trying to convey is that in this case, the video does reflect actual use.

The Deutz engines are rated to 45 degrees. Not a dry a sump. I believe that it is done with a larger than typical oil pan. The engines are technically oil cooled, so they have relatively more oil. Only the model 1850 is rated to 45 degrees, while the other models are 25-40 degrees, some limited by the engine, some by the HP and center of gravity.

In the EU, Aebi makes a machine for similar uses.

All the best,

Peter

 

[Cougsfan]

I doubt if I ever get as close as I think I am to rolling my tractor over on a side hill. Like Oosik, the pucker factor makes me back out of the situation. I do know I can go up and down a steep hill I would never go sideways on.

 

[m5040]

To me it appears that the picture of the Antonio Carraro with the guy pulling on the ROPS has the topside chained to the tilted bed as you can see the chain in place.
A great feature of the Power Trac 14XX series is it's ability to operate on side hills if you intend to do so or not, some day you may without even knowing it. I think you would be very surprised on how limited the loaders like Giant or Avant are. Give their tech people a call and get the figures before you buy.

 

[ptsg]

To me it appears that the picture of the Antonio Carraro with the guy pulling on the ROPS has the topside chained to the tilted bed as you can see the chain in place.
A great feature of the Power Trac 14XX series is it's ability to operate on side hills if you intend to do so or not, some day you may without even knowing it. I think you would be very surprised on how limited the loaders like Giant or Avant are. Give their tech people a call and get the figures before you buy.

Only the rear wheel has a safety chain in case things go south. The chain doesn't even have tension on it.

I know that loaders like Giant or Avant are somewhat limited. I was actually thinking more on the line of isodiametric tractors like the Antonio Carraro, BCS, Ferrari and few others, and not really on those types of loaders. I can also easily operate with these tractors on hills, regardless if I need or not.

 

[woodlandfarms]

I have a few spots on my property that get near 40 degrees (running an 1850). A few notes. I never run that steep without a run out at the bottom of the hill. Meaning I don’t mow riverbanks cause I can’t swim. Second is you really have to set up your 1850 to go beyond 35 degrees. The right tire (4ply and soft) and 6 to 8lbs of pressure are key. Stepping off the machine at 40 degrees will change your perspective instantly on what 40 degrees is. Nearly impossible to climb back to machine if you climb down. Finally one thing that is way cool about the 1850 is that I can operate all those implements that steep. I have placed lots of post holes at 40 degrees and at 30 I can load my bucket full and run the Arms all the way up without worrying about going over. Raking and box blading at 35 has allowed me to improve a lot of my property I couldn’t with any other tractor

 

[Gord Baker]

It is foolhardy to challenge Gravity. You may also starve the engine of oil on steep slopes. Steep being the operational word. If it looks sketchy, leave it.

 

[Loaderman22]

This is a true 45 degree angle.
I really don’t think people understand how steep that is lol [
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So if the mower can ride at 45 degrees, why are there blocks on the sides of the wheels in the demo???

 

[JRH02]

We live in a forested canyon. From midway the grade is more gradual on the average at least where there are roads and trails. Regardless of an ATV/UTV, the 'lil Kubota or the 410J its pretty often to quit what you are doing and get out safely. But the worst is the 410J. Its so back heavy and with the extending boom, really top heavy. Many times I've had to swing the backhoe up hill to get out. And the tires are filled on EVERYTHING.

Towards the top of the canyon it gets really steep. There are old logging trails there that I can't walk up - its literally on hands and knees. Those skidder and crawler operators are some courageous folks.

We run chains all year around. But in the winter ya just have to stay on trails that don't tilt. Grades are OK, but NO TILTING. We don't have roads, even in or out. Really everything is old logging trails. Ya just work slow and careful cause a wrecker would probably decline a rescue.