4052R down pressure

[jeff9366]

I've got a 6' Gannon but sometimes it's not enough.

As the Gannon brand is now applied to both standard box blades AND the original rollover box blades, we do not know exactly what you have. However, you can adjust the "bite" of a sufficiently heavy box blade by changing the length of the Top Link until the increase in draft force will stop the tractor.

 

[farmer2009]

I thought it was interesting that a manufacturer finally did this. Been many a times when I wanted down pressure. 99% of them have been while digging post holes. The other 1% is when I have to clean old hay out of barn. That landscape rake just doesn't weight enough. But it's also not designed for that job either.

 

[Piston]

ALL of my implements that I use on a regular basis are very heavy duty, and there are still many times that I would use the down pressure feature. Personally, I think JD will hit a home run with this one, and also force other competitors to add this feature to their tractors.


Having a heavy box blade doesn't negate the advantage of down pressure. I'll be interested to see the reviews for this. :thumbsup:

 

[Cletusdeere]

I have a real Gannon 4x2 6' with hydraulic rippers . I refer to others by their name or just call them box blades. I'm a professional grading contractor that's why I would like and want top tilt ripper hydraulics and down pressure. And if it does lift the rear of the tractor I guess that's part of the learning curve. I'm buying a 4052R and have put a lot on it and am wanting to know why it's not available with the other options.

 

[DK35vince]

I can see where the ability to have down pressure on the 3 point could be a benefit.
But if you have to give up top and tilt to get it, where is the gain ???

 

[RDrancher]

I have a real Gannon 4x2 6' with hydraulic rippers . I refer to others by their name or just call them box blades. I'm a professional grading contractor that's why I would like and want top tilt ripper hydraulics and down pressure. And if it does lift the rear of the tractor I guess that's part of the learning curve. I'm buying a 4052R and have put a lot on it and am wanting to know why it's not available with the other options.

Its about time a manufacturer started offering down pressure on something other than skip loaders. I'd be VERY interested to hear how it performs.

I'm sure Cletus has experienced this, but for the benefit of others who haven't, I'll give one example. Most of you realize how handy it is to be able to roll the Gannon back and use the rear blade to smooth things out. With down pressure the BB doesn't ride over the material. but scrapes and compresses at the same time. It doesn't take a lot of down pressure to assist, but a little sure helps.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

There will always be conditions where there simply is not enough weight or traction. Just as we all do now, we work with it in one way or another. Yes there are times when another few hundred pounds would be nice to have, but at what expense? :confused3: Both monetarily and other features that one can not have to obtain that single feature. If a person requires that additional weight-down pressure on a regular basis, maybe they need a bigger tractor?

I have many tractors that weigh from 600lbs to 18,000lbs. There is always a time when you don't have one big enough.

Just my :2cents:

 

[RDrancher]

I can see where the ability to have down pressure on the 3 point could be a benefit.
But if you have to give up top and tilt to get it, where is the gain ???

Hmmm, just read the entire thread and missed that one. So (if I'm understanding this correctly) you can't adjust the top and tilt while the down pressure switch is on? Kind of a pain , but I could still see the down pressure as being beneficial for grading. You could the grade close using top and tilt and then use down pressure for the final pass.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Hmmm, just read the entire thread and missed that one. So (if I'm understanding this correctly) you can't adjust the top and tilt while the down pressure switch is on? Kind of a pain , but I could still see the down pressure as being beneficial for grading. You could the grade close using top and tilt and then use down pressure for the final pass.

John, I think that you can not have the top & tilt option at all. My thinking is that there are not enough controls to operate everything.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

ALL of my implements that I use on a regular basis are very heavy duty, and there are still many times that I would use the down pressure feature. Personally, I think JD will hit a home run with this one, and also force other competitors to add this feature to their tractors.


Having a heavy box blade doesn't negate the advantage of down pressure. I'll be interested to see the reviews for this. :thumbsup:

I am very curious as to what the cost of this down pressure option is.

 

[RDrancher]

John, I think that you can not have the top & tilt option at all. My thinking is that there are not enough controls to operate everything.

Ah, that would change everything. I'm assuming that one could get the down pressure option, then rack a set of spools in the appropriate location, order a top and tilt kit from you and be all set?

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Ah, that would change everything. I'm assuming that one could get the down pressure option, then rack a set of spools in the appropriate location, order a top and tilt kit from you and be all set?

I would think so, but I thought that we were talking OEM feature options in this thread?

 

[RDrancher]

I would think so, but I thought that we were talking OEM feature options in this thread?

Oh...just thinking out loud.

 

[Piston]

If a person requires that additional weight-down pressure on a regular basis, maybe they need a bigger tractor?

I have many tractors that weigh from 600lbs to 18,000lbs. There is always a time when you don't have one big enough.

Just my :2cents:

Brian,
How would a bigger tractor give you more down pressure? Isn't that completely dependent on nothing more than the weight of the implement itself? Or are you referring to the loss of traction comment?


I agree that I would never give up top n tilt for the down pressure, I just think it would be nice to have and be a handy feature. I can't imagine it costing an arm and a leg when compared to the (relative) amount of money that a new 4052R is going to cost in the first place. But then again, I've had sticker shock many times before :laughing:

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Brian,
How would a bigger tractor give you more down pressure? Isn't that completely dependent on nothing more than the weight of the implement itself? Or are you referring to the loss of traction comment?


I agree that I would never give up top n tilt for the down pressure, I just think it would be nice to have and be a handy feature. I can't imagine it costing an arm and a leg when compared to the (relative) amount of money that a new 4052R is going to cost in the first place. But then again, I've had sticker shock many times before :laughing:

I'm not going to deny that on occasion down pressure could be nice to have. That is how our smallest tractor is. My thinking though is if it is required on a regular basis, then you should be using bigger heavier equipment for whatever it is that you are doing. Now a lot of the loss of traction problems go away with having 4x4 tractors, because that loss at the rear gets transferred to the front. But if you are working in hard ground, my thinking is that the additional 450lbs of down pressure is going to be really hard on any implement other than a heavy duty unit, so anyone that decides to cut costs here or there could end up with damaged implements.

Something else to consider, does it work with position control? A lot of times you want the implement to only go down so far, but does that limitation go away when that additional down pressure is applied? Lot's of information to be learned about this option, that's for sure.

 

[bigcut]

Brian,
How would a bigger tractor give you more down pressure? Isn't that completely dependent on nothing more than the weight of the implement itself? Or are you referring to the loss of traction comment?


I agree that I would never give up top n tilt for the down pressure, I just think it would be nice to have and be a handy feature. I can't imagine it costing an arm and a leg when compared to the (relative) amount of money that a new 4052R is going to cost in the first place. But then again, I've had sticker shock many times before :laughing:

Piston,
A few months ago I posted a link to a review of the 4000 series JD's. On page 2 of the article, the author referenced a "new" feature being offered for $700.00 that provides " Downward Force" and is offered as a "Dealer Installed Option". I"m going from memory. Don't recall the title or thread.
John

 

[Piston]

But if you are working in hard ground, my thinking is that the additional 450lbs of down pressure is going to be really hard on any implement other than a heavy duty unit, so anyone that decides to cut costs here or there could end up with damaged implements.

This ^ is a really good point.

 

[Piston]

Piston,
A few months ago I posted a link to a review of the 4000 series JD's. On page 2 of the article, the author referenced a "new" feature being offered for $700.00 that provides " Downward Force" and is offered as a "Dealer Installed Option". I"m going from memory. Don't recall the title or thread.
John

Thanks John. I don't think 750 would be unreasonable at all. Seems like right in the ballpark with what I would expect.

 

[bigcut]

Thanks John. I don't think 750 would be unreasonable at all. Seems like right in the ballpark with what I would expect.

Piston,
Personally, I think the feature may hold merit in certain situations. Like trying to penetrate hard clay soil and the implement just rides on the surface without making sufficient penetration. In such a scenario, it wouldn't affect traction, because the implement would just skim along the surface of the soil.

When I first mentioned this feature in a post, I got a few responses that questioned the merit and feasibility. Interested in what you find out in terms of the details.
John

 

[Hill Farmer]

Down pressure can be handy. Post holes are a breeze, even in the hardest dry clay. Mine actually has enough to lift the back of my tractor. No jack required for flat repair, just blocking.