30 HP w/loader HST recommendations needed.

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huskerpilk

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I know this is old hat but I've cruised the previous posts and I still need some advice. Looked at the JD 790 (no longer considering), the NH TC30HST, the Kioti CK30HST, , Mahindra 3015 HST, Haven't checked the Kubota lot yet. What would the comparable Kubota model be? What I need is some practical advice on what to expect from a pricing standpoint.

Seems like the Kioti, NH, Mahindra are all close on price. (I haven't pushed any of the dealers at all on price yet.) Any comments, comparisons would be helpful. If you guys have a value leader you might recommend feel free to add them to my list. The farm show is this weekend and I want to trim it down before hand. Thanks guys.
 
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There is not a bad tractor among those three. The 3015HST Mahindra lifts 1350 lbs in the loader, 2205 lbs at the three-point, comes standard with R4's, and weighs about 3300lbs with the loader. It is built by Mitsubishi in Japan and has a three-year warranty. The 2615HST is the same size, has a little less HP and the loader lifts about 1050 lbs. I don't know much about the others, but from what I hear they are fine machines as well.
 
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I'm replying just to "bump" the thread. This is exactly the type of tractor I will be buying soon. I hadn't seen anything about Mahindra in this area... better look again.
 
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The Kubota to fit in your list would be the L3430HST...the only caution I would add is get the 723 loader no matter what the dealer says...the 513 ?? loader that was first placed on my 3430, wouldn't lift the hat off your head /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

GareyD
 
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I think you are looking at some different types of tractors.

The TC30 is an old style bare bones tractor, it is not in the same league as the Kioti CK30. The TC30 is also fairly small when you compare it to the Kioti. For the same reasons you might eliminate teh JD790, you would likely eliminate the TC30.

A better comparison would be the TC29 or the TC33. Both of those are deluxe tractors, but both are also more expensive and may not be price competitive. The TC29 and TC30 are both 30hp tractors, but they are radically different machines! My opinion is that the likely Kubota to consider would be the L3130 with the 723 loader.

I know little about the Mahindra.

As far as loaders go here is a run down on the various Kubota, NH and Kioti units for the above mentioned tractors:

Kubota 723 on the L3130:
Breakout force: 2605#
Lift capacity: 1870
Lift Height: 8'6"

New Holland LA14 on the TC29 or TC33
Breakout force: 2712#
Lift capacity: 1256#
Lift Height: 8'2"

Kioti 130 on the CK30
Breakout force: 2046#
Lift capacity: 1155#
Lift Height: 7'9"

Breakout force, lift capacity and lift height are all measured at the bucket pivot point, not at the bucket edge. OTHER THAN PRICE, consider what you are going to do with the tractor. IF you are planning on doing a lot of Front End Loader work, then the advantage actually leans pretty heavily towards the New Holland because the curved loader arms and curved hood make it easier and faster to do loader work in the real world. The Kioti would probably be my second choice for loader work for the same style of loader, despite the fact that of the above 3 tractors it has the weakest loader. I use a NH and a Kubota and I have to tell you that the NH curved loader arms and curved/sloped hood allow excellent visibility of the bucket, the Kubota (and very likely the Mahindra) have traditional long flat hoods and squared off dog-leg style loader arms that dramatically limit forward visibility. People who have never used the new curved style loaders simply cannot understand how much better/quicker work can be done until they try it. Having 2 different machines of similar capabilities, I can use them side-by-side and I can attest to the fact that you can't compare them, I can do more work in less time . . . and isn't saving time one of the reasons we buy tractors?

CHANGING USES and considering something as mundane as mowing the lawn, I would suggest that you want the smallest and lightest tractor for that use if you have clay soil. If you have sandy soil then weight is less imporant, but turning radius is still a large consideration. The tighter the tractor turns the faster you lawn will be mowed (tighter turning radius is also beneficial for loader work). As you don't say what you are using the tractor for, I'm just trying to cover some of the bases.

Please reconsider your choices. You need to understand that different tractors are designed for different types of uses. The JD790 and the the NH TC30 are similar types of machines for similar users. The CK30 is in a different class, and should be compared to the TC29 or TC33. Again, I know little about Mahindra other than what I see on their website, I honestly don't know where that tractor falls in terms of use. People here might be able to give better advice if you tell us what you plan on using the tractor for, and what the biggest tasks will be (hours per week) versus the smaller tasks as a % of the total time spent. That will help us guide you to a particular class of tractor. You have no information in your profile, we don't know how many acres you have, so these machine may be way too large or way to small for you. We have no idea your intended use, nor your climate, etc. I think you'd find more specific information can come from the members if you fill out your profile with at least some basic information.
 
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Thanks for the time and well thought response. I will fill out my profile later today. I don't see doing much mowing in the future as I have several capable mowers. I really am looking for CUT that is big enough for some occassional big chores but not too big to be unusable around the house. Thanks again and anyone else care to chime in...thanks in advance.
 
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Big enough for what types of chores? Mowing is out, so all the lightweight machines are gone. None of the machines would be classified as lightweight. But I still wonder what chores you are referring to?

Ground engaging work like pulling a plow (get big & heavy). Or simply tilling the garden (any tractor will do this of any weight or size). Post hole drilling (again any tractor even a small one will do this). Moving mulch and other light materials in modest quantites (consider a smaller tractor). Moving granite stones (rent a real loader for the weekend).
 
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Hey guys, if the TC30 is comparable in size and weight to either the TC29DA or TC33DA, then any of the Kubota Grand Ls would not be a good match, even the L3130. I have had the Kubs and the NHs under a microscope for weeks now and you really need to move up to the TC35DA, 40DA or 45DA before the comparison with any of the Grand Ls is valid. That said, I couldn't tell you what Kubs would be truly comparable to the TC29DA, TC33DA or the TC30, for that matter.
 
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I have been considering the same type of tractor. The Kubota B7800 seems appealing. Does anyone have experience with it. Have not seen it mentioned much. Is there something about it that is undesirable? Seems to have good power to wt. ratio, and my 1/2 ton should pull it easily. Thoughts please?
 
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THE MAHINDRA 3015 IS AN EXCELLENT WORKHORSE. THEY HAVE SOLD ALLOT OF THEM.
 
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Thanks for the input. After getting to see and drive some of these units I may have settled on the Mahindra 2615 HST. For around $14,000 with the loader it seems to be the right size for my purposes. The 3015 was nearly $1500 more for 3 more PTO HP...all else nearly the same. The 2810HST is again about $2K more for a few more hp and a few goodies. The Kioit CK25 is a close comparison (as is the 3015 HST to the CK30). I thought the Mahindra was a bit nicer to operate and seemed finished better. The NH TC30 upon closer inspection is mostly...well, blue. Kinda like the JD 790...mostly green. The only up side on those two units is resale IMO. I still am concerned about resale on the Mahindra and actually think the Kioti would be a better choice on that basis. I like them both and it may turn out to who can put together the best deal. Until then...the tractor and farm show is this weekend...probably short out before its over /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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Great choice! I have a Cub Cadet 7260 which is the gear drive version of yours. It's a good, solid reliable machine.
Now, all of your friends will come up with a whole list of "stuff" for you to do. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Great choice! I have a Cub Cadet 7260 which is the gear drive version of yours. It's a good, solid reliable machine.
Now, all of your friends will come up with a whole list of "stuff" for you to do. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif )</font>

Kinda like when I owned the old work truck. Now I have a nice new one and no one has the nerve to ask to borrow it. Heck, even I won't use it. I haven't seen anything on the Cub web site that lists your model number...am i missing something? I think this next week I will pick up a 2615 HST. Of course its a long time from now until then. Who knows what lurks in the mind of an obsessed tractor shopper /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
 
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Sounds like a great choice. I just can't figure out why the JD 790 is in your mix of hydrostatic machines....
 
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Cub discontinued it this year. Mahindra picked it up. The tractor is manufactured by Mitsubishi, and Mahindra picked up the line. I know Cub sold them for about 6 years. It's not a new design, but it is field tested and reliable. I have yet to hear from anyone who owns a 7xxx series Cub manufactured by Mitsubishi who doesn't like it.
 
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Thanks for the clarification on the Cub issue. I'm glad its not a brand new design. The JD 790 was a thought because I hadn't at that point decided on HST. BTW the farm and tractor show is this weekend in SW MO. Two dealers have quoted $13,500 on the 2615 with the loader + 0% financing for 36 mos. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif I may put a down on Sunday and get the madness over with. Thanks for the input.
 
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You can't beat 0%. Good luck! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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Back from the show...I knew the madness could not end that easily. I really wanted to see the Mahindra 2310 and 2810 HST's next to the 2615 and 3015 HST's but the dealers say the smaller 10 series are discontinured. ??? I then began to look around and the tractors that really seem to stand out in terms of quality and value are the Kioti's. The CK 25 prices out the same as the 2615, as does the CK 30 with the 3015. The Kioti's are definately a better made machine...from the 3 point to the front end. I think they are more like the 10 series from Mahindra. The Mahindra dealer said they are going with the 15 series in the smaller tractors to save some money. Dang...I was hoping to bring something home but I couldn 't pull the trigger. The Kioit dealership is a little further from home but a big step up on service and knowledge. The torment continues...in a good kinda way. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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For what it's worth, I just bought a Kioti DK45 TLB after looking at several different color tractors for several months, and I'd agree from what I saw that Kiotis are one heck of a value for the money. The DK45 is significantly bigger than what you're looking at, but I checked out the LK3054 TLB and the CK30 as well, and all the Kiotis were very well built and engineered machines. I decided against a HST tractor because after driving old Ford gear tractors, a synchro shuttle is already a nice improvement, and more importantly, I wanted the extra PTO HP that you get with a gear tractor over HST.

One person here gave me advice when I was considering what to buy that I'll pass on to you. If you're going to have a mix of different kinds of work, get the biggest (HP) tractor you can reasonably afford, because you'll always find something down the line you want to do where you'll wish you had the extra HP. Changing/adding implements is (relatively) cheap. Adding HP to your tractor after you buy it is expensive /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

That said, there's no point in buying bigger than you'll ever need, and smaller usually means more maneuverable, cheaper, etc. If you're going to do any woods or uneven ground work, though, it's nice to have as wide a stance as possible for stability-- that's one of the things that pushed me to the DK45, along with the heavier-duty loader (2500 lb full height, 4000 lb breakout).

Not sure if any of this will help, but good luck in your choice and purchase! While I ultimately chose a Kioti, almost all the tractors I tried were good machines that felt very solid. I'm thinking we're pretty lucky right now to be surrounded by a lot of great choices in CUTs.

--Rich
 

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