2720 Specs

[Holiday]

The John Deere web site has the operator's Manuel for the 2720 on line.

OMLVU19798 2720 Compact Utility Tractor (106005-)

OMLVU19798_k7

 

[newt92]

Why does everbody hate on the 3120? I'll take my much maligned 3120 with the 300CX over anything in the 2000 class.

Big C, I am not hating the 3120. Not at all, I just was saying there is not much difference in price to jump to a 3320, only $400. If Deere makes the 2720, which IMO the extra hp, only a few really need it. I dont, if I was to trade up, I would go 3320 or 3520, but for my needs 2520 is enough for me. As far as the 3120, I have never even seen one in person. So if I ruffled your feathers, I am sorry, did not mean to.

Dennis

 

[thebigc]

No ruffled feathers but a 2720, even with a little more HP, coupled to the 200CX FEL won't come close to my 3120 / 300CX. I don't really run any PTO stuff besides my backhoe so I didn't need to go to a 3320.

I didn't mean to single you out newt92, but I see quite a few disparaging comments about the 3120 and how its so underpowered, why does JD even carry it, etc...

 

[putt_putt_green]

If the 2720 has a larger alternator and more horsepower, maybe there is a cab option down the road? But seeing how JD cabs are not after market items, I doubt this.

I use my B range all the time on my 3520. I can't imagine being stuck with just an A range and C range. I agree with Chris, 3 ranges might steal sales from the 3x20 series tractors, but it would also steal sales from other manufacturers.

 

[bandit67]

If JD hopes to steal sales away from Kubota's B3030, they need a 3 range hydro on the new 2720. Unfortunately, the owner's manual, which is the only literature we or any of the dealers can look at right now, says it'll be a 2 range hydro.

I talked to a dealer who expects to see their first one in May, and who was at a JD dealer meeting where the 2720 was briefly discussed, and he wasn't sure if there would be a 3 range hydro. All he said was "I hope so", but he still hasn't seen any literature from JD other than the online owner's manual that we've found.

 

[aesanders]

If JD hopes to steal sales away from Kubota's B3030, they need a 3 range hydro on the new 2720.

I beleive John Deere has already stolen sales away from Kubota with their 2305, 2320 and 2520. They have been very popular. I'm not so sure a 3 range hydro is a feature that would sway all buyers one way or the other.

That said, the three range hydro would be nice for certain applications, especially mowing where you could have it in the middle gear a good amount of time. It must not be that critical though as the highway mowing crew around me has a bunch of 2520's.

 

[bandit67]

That said, the three range hydro would be nice for certain applications, especially mowing where you could have it in the middle gear a good amount of time. It must not be that critical though as the highway mowing crew around me has a bunch of 2520's.

Yeah, but the highway crew is most likely using equipment purchased through wheeling & dealing by beaurocratic types and corporate salesmen. I really don't think the equipment operators have a whole lot of say in the matter.

I've seen quite a few Kubota standard B's with the 2 range hydro being used by municipalities around here. It's because of the pricing more than the features. Now Kubota has bumped it's standard B's up to 3 range, and I'll bet that they start stealing more sales away from JD as a result of the 3 range and the cheaper prices.

I'm not necessarily bashing here, just a bit frustrated that there was only 1 mfr. for me to go to for the features I wanted. JD unfortunately didn't have an option, and now that they are within a month or 2 of having one, they may not go all the way and offer a 3rd range. IMO, that's a big mistake. And that's just another reason why Kubota owns all the other mfr's in the compact market (based on market share).

 

[aesanders]

Yeah, but the highway crew is most likely using equipment purchased through wheeling & dealing by beaurocratic types and corporate salesmen. I really don't think the equipment operators have a whole lot of say in the matter.

I've seen quite a few Kubota standard B's with the 2 range hydro being used by municipalities around here. It's because of the pricing more than the features. Now Kubota has bumped it's standard B's up to 3 range, and I'll bet that they start stealing more sales away from JD as a result of the 3 range and the cheaper prices.

I'm not necessarily bashing here, just a bit frustrated that there was only 1 mfr. for me to go to for the features I wanted. JD unfortunately didn't have an option, and now that they are within a month or 2 of having one, they may not go all the way and offer a 3rd range. IMO, that's a big mistake. And that's just another reason why Kubota owns all the other mfr's in the compact market (based on market share).

I just don't see it as being that big of an advantage. For a few applications yes, but not for the majority. Most of the time, most users will be in low range with a 2 or 3 range hydro.

Frankly, I'd like to have a transmission like Massey's DynaQPS. Now thats a sweet tranny.

P.S. Why don't you take a look at Massey's 1528 or 1531. They both have 3 range hydro's and about the same size as the 3030. Maybe a little heavier all around. Nice machines...

 

[PAB_OH]

Depending on gearing I can definitley see an advantage to 3 spd hydro. In hilly east central OH a 2 spd hydro would be all but useless in a lot of the applications around here. Mowing is a perfect example but so is light loader work with relatively long transport distances between load/unload areas.

If I had to do all my work in MY low range I would scream. No way I would want to do work in high range though. The thing hauls. I know much of this part of the country is similar in terrain and to make decent time the 3rd range comes in handy. Like I said, 2 range would be a deal killer for a lot of folks around this way.

 

[orlo]

Pab:

I'm with you. I have a 2305 and a 3720 cab. On the 3720 I use Mid range much more than high or low. I hardly ever use high. I mow, etc. and even snowblow (When it's light) in mid range. I only shift to low for heavy loader work where I'm more 'digging' than loading. On the 2305 I use mid much more than low. Even do a lot of light loader work in high - On the 2305 I also mow in high.

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

If JD hopes to steal sales away from Kubota's B3030, they need a 3 range hydro on the new 2720. Unfortunately, the owner's manual, which is the only literature we or any of the dealers can look at right now, says it'll be a 2 range hydro.

They'll also need to get away from using the 200cx loader on all these machines. That loader is sized to a subcompact, I can see stretching it to the 2320 by upping the hydraulic pressure, but you gotta draw the line here. If this is going to compete with the B3030, it will need a loader made for more than a subcompact tractor. Heck Kubota's got an LA203,LA243,LA304,LA362,LA402,LA403 all specificly sized to the tractor. Deere is using 1 loader to cover this entire range, defentialy not performance matched to all those tractors.

 

[stimpee]

Interesting development, but as others have said, and as Neil outlined in the post before mine, there are a few key things on this tractor that would be a deal killer for me, and would have put me into the same B3030 decision that I made.

These 2 things are the 2 range hydro, and the loader.

I mow flat out in medium range on my B3030 pretty much all the time. The tractor goes around 5.5-6mph under this condition, with my 72" MMM. 1-1.5mph less speed would be a killer for me. It would cost me 20-30 minutes every single time I cut the grass...

Steve

 

[putt_putt_green]

I'm a little confused on the 3 range versus 2 range thing.

Take this hypothetically. If a 3 range tractor allows speeds of 0-5, 6-11, and 12-17 over 3 ranges, wouldn't a 2 range transmission on this same tractor allow speeds of 0-8, and 9-17? I'm sure the 2 range tractor isn't just missing the middle range and giving you speed of 0-5 and 12-17.

And I would think this would be preferential for all the HST operators who don't like to shift.

 

[stimpee]

My limited experience here:

Kubota 3 range (rough numbers)
L: 0-3 mph
M: 0-6 mph
H: 0-13mph

JD (really rough, just guessing to make a point)
L: 0-4.5
H: 0-12

Now, on my Kubota, I can mow in medium, at full speed, at 6mph. I can easily slow down if needed to mow very heavy stuff.

On the Deere, I may not be able to mow at all in high range at half pedal to achieve 6 mph, since the high range of the hydro may not give me the power needed to mow in that range. So, I might be forced to mow in L, which would give me a max speed of 4.5mph vs my 6.

In most cases, the high range is typically designed for low load, high speed, and vice versa for the low. The medium is just as it sounds, a good happy medium. I don't shift much at all. 90+% of my time is spent in Medium range.
Low only gets used for heavy loader work so far (where vs the Deere the Bota has another advantage in that it is geared lower, for more grunt when in low range). High only gets used for "transport" or for "fun"....

 

[putt_putt_green]

OK, I was taking this from a gear point of view. I haven't used an HST other than in a parking lot.

So with my gear tractor, I get 3x4 for a total of 12 different gear ratios. So if I had got the HST, would I only have 3 gear ratios?

 

[stimpee]

Only if you bought the Kubota. With the Deere you would get 2 "gear ratios".

But make sure you think about the fact that with a gear tractor, at a given engine speed for the PTO operation, you get 12 choices of tractor forward speed.

With the HST, you get essentially infinite control over the forward speed up to the maximum for that given range selected.

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

I'm a little confused on the 3 range versus 2 range thing.

Take this hypothetically. If a 3 range tractor allows speeds of 0-5, 6-11, and 12-17 over 3 ranges, wouldn't a 2 range transmission on this same tractor allow speeds of 0-8, and 9-17? I'm sure the 2 range tractor isn't just missing the middle range and giving you speed of 0-5 and 12-17.

And I would think this would be preferential for all the HST operators who don't like to shift.

What your missing is the gear ratio's that you get from having an extra range. For example, say Deere uses a 5:1 for low and 8:1 for high, while Kubota can use 3:1, 6:1 and 9:1. This stuff is not really published, but the B will push/pull nearly 50% more than the Deere will because of this extra range.

 

[2Malamutes]

What your missing is the gear ratio's that you get from having an extra range.

If the big complaint with high is that there isn't enough power at the "mowing speed" in the current models, then a 20% torque increase ought to go a long way towards solving that. There are a whole lot of other things besides a 3 range I'd like to have seen.

 

[jcmseven]

MFE,

I am not sure I buy the pulling difference due to the additional range. Can you explain further why this would offer more pulling power. To me, it seems it would mainly offer more precise control of RPM and PTO implements in the mid range, but at 31 gross HP and around 1900# the 2720 should be able to pull quite well with just two ranges, although I too feel three would be better.

John M

 

[AKfish]

JD "marketing geniuses" got it wrong on a great gear utility tractor a year or so back, too.

The 5105 and 5205 --- now discontinued. Plently of power and a great power/wt. ratio. But folk's were frustrated by the hi-lo range when using the tractor to bale hay, etc.

Either way too fast or way too slow!

Sometimes we all have to "pee on the electric fence" before we "get it"!

AKfish