2210 or 4010

[Bob_In_MN]

Koz,

I re-read your first post. Do you simply mow the rough area with your 445 (it sounds that way). If that is the case, over time you will turn that rough field into a fairly nice lawn just by mowing it.

I was initially thinking you were going to get a bush hog, but is that really something you intend to do or are you going to just finish mow the entire 3.5 acres?

If you are planning on doing what I mentioned above then the 2210 should work better on 3 week growth than the 4010 just from a simple HP standpoint.

It doesn't sound you plan on heavy use of the FEL. What would be some of your intended loader tasks? I can't comment on the strength of the FEL on the 2210 having never used one.

Bob

 

[Koz]

I really appreciate all of the comments that have been provided. I need to sit down and really think through this, but I thought I would pass along comments from a local JD dealer (different than the one I spoke with regarding the deck gauge).

This dealer is recommending the 2210 because of the increased HP. He feels that the 4010's 18HP diesel will provide performance with a 60" deck that is no better than my 445, and maybe worse. Basically, he feels I would be disappointed with the 4010's mowing performance. He is basing this on mowing a field on a intermittant basis as well as on the slight hill that my field is located on.

I left the prices in my car (I'm at the office now, working hard!) but the 2210 with 62" mower is around $11,500. The 4010 is almost $13,000. Do these prices sound right? My guess is that they are high, as it is the first time the provide pricing and I did not press them.

I did get a chance to drive the 2210, and am very impressed with its maneuverability. It seems to be an almost negligable increase in turning radius versus my 445.

The 2210 is a far more comfortable machine than the Kubota BX 2230 (which I was originally considering). The BX is smaller, but feels less maneuverable. The seat on the BX almost seems to be angled toward the engine, much less comfortable than the 2210. There are a few BX advantages, though. The deck and belts are heavier duty than the 62" JD deck (the Kubota's belt is a monster in comparison) and the frame/axle on the Kubota is beefier (more in line with the 4010).

At this point, I have not actually driven the 4010. I sat on it, and it is certainly no less comfortable than the 2210. Unless I scratch the 4010 from consideration due to mowing performance concerns, i will be driving on on Saturday.

Having 2 tractors would be a solution, but I do not have the room and my wife would never let me park the tractor in the garage or build a second shed.

 

[Koz]

Bob - I didn't see your post prior to my last post.

You are correct, I am using my 445's belly mower for the field. You are also correct that the field has basically turned into grass. After being mowed, it basically looks like an extension of my seeded lawn.

But, it grows much faster and the grass is much thicker. Also, I do not mow it weekly like the seeded lawn. Thus, the 445 has trouble with it.

My intent is to continue using a finish mower for my entire property.

The 2210's loader can handle approx 700 pounds. My anticipated uses are uncertain, I understand that ways to use a FEL pop up everywhere. I'm guessing that my FEL usage will include (but not be limited to) moving firewood, mulch and dirt.

 

[Bob_In_MN]

Koz,

I can tell you with the 54 inch deck, my 4010 has never given me a problem, but I have never put it in a position you will encounter on a fairly regular basis. I remember when I purchased my 4010, the dealer said the 60 inch deck combined with tall, wet grass would really make the engine work. I would think the 2210 would be better suited for the mowing you describe. You will definately give up some other capabilities, but everything you talk about suggests you won't necessarily need what the 4010 offers.

By the way--what does the price you listed include? I can track down my price list to give you a comparision (although as has been discussed--pricing is regional).

Bob

 

[JClark]

Koz

If you are going to buy a tractor (vs. a big lawn mower) I recommend getting one that has full Class 1 3 point hitch capabilities. There is a world of implements out there just waiting to be bought, borrowed or rented, and the vast majority of them hang on Class 1 3pt hitches with 540 RPM PTOs. In a JD CUT I believe that qualification starts at a 4110.

I have similar acreage and conditions to yours that I cut with a 4110 and a 60" MMM. I really like that particular deck, it is built like a tank, no plastic, run quiet and cuts and discharges very well. It was one of th main reasons I chose the 4110 over a B series Kubota, the other being the very easily removable FEL.

 

[Hypernix]

bigpete,

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( (4110 has the same hydraulics and loader as the 4010) )</font>

Actually the 4110 has slightly better hydraulics than the 4010 although the 4110 and 4115 have the same capacity. This was taken from the JD 4000 TEN brochure:

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre> 4010 4110 & 4115
Implement Pump 3.4gpm 5.1gpm
Steering Pump 2.2gpm 2.3gpm
Total Flow 5.7 gpm 7.4gpm
</pre><hr />
Koz:

When I was looking for my tractor I was also looking primarily at the 4010. Then the JD dealer told me about the 2210. I didn't like the small footprint but did like the bigger HP. So I ended up buying a 4110 just to make sure that HP would not be an issue at least for a few years /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Maybe you should take a look at the 4110 also... It is probably going to cost a couple thousands more than the 4010 but I think in my case it was well worth it. (More HP, more 3PTH lift power, more hydraulic power /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif)

Hyp3rnix

 

[Koz]

Unless i'm misunderstanding something, both the 2210 and 4010 have class 1 hitches. The only difference explained to me is that the 2210 is a bit lower and thus may have problems with some kinds of post hole diggers.

I have a headache...I was leaning toward the 4010 because of 3 yr 0% financing versus 2 yr 0% for the 2210. Now i'm wondering if that would be wise considering the lower HP. Moving up to the 4110 is not an option (my wife doesn't even know i'm considering an upgrade to the 2210!) because of money.

Here are the best current pricing for each tractor:

2210 with 62" mower, 210 loader and ballast box - $12,900

4010 with 60" mower, 410 loader and ballast box - $15,500

Evidently the 4110 is about $1500 more than the 4010

 

[bigpete]

Hyp, thanks for the correction. I should have checked my figures before making that statement. The 410 loader on the 4010 still shows the same lift capacity, but I guess it must do it a llittle slower /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Koz, you can drive yourself crazy with the "next size up" syndrome, but I think I've found my sweet spot at the 4110 (I bet I said something similar when I bought the 2210 /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif). I have a little more loader work now than I originally predicted and after a few spins around without the loader and ballast, I'm sure I will be very pleased with the mowing capabilities. The 4110 just carries its weight extremely well, the engine sounds different, and the bigger wheels make it ride a lot smoother than my 2210 did on the same terrain. It looks like your prices are still a little high, but you will get there. Since you are financing, spreading out the difference between the 4010 and the 4110 might not be so painful. It's been said a thousand times, but nobody complains about having bought as much tractor as they could afford.

 

[Bob_In_MN]

Koz,

Can't comment on the 2210's 3 point, but the 4010 has a true cat 1 hitch. You are correct that the 2210's lower stance MAY be a limiting factor in using SOME 3 point attachments. But I have never read that from any of the 2210 owners on this site.

I love my 4010, but I'm just not sure it's up to running a 60 inch deck through high grass. I can't say that it isn't, because I've never tested it under those conditions.

When I was looking, the 4110 was about $1500 more than I was paying for my 4010. At the time, my dealer missed some rebates that would have put me within $500 of the 4110. If I would have known that, I would have paid the extra money. He gave me the money, but by then I had owned the 4010 for awhile and was quite happy with it.

If you can get the dealer to get the 4110 within $1000 of the 4010 and you finance that $1000 over 3 years, you are talking about an extra $30 per month. I also understand what it's like to be at your limit from a cash outlay standpoint.

I just dug out my invoice.

4010 Tractor--$9999
54 Inch Deck--$1600
Loader/Ballast--$2500
Suitcase Wgts.-180

Total--$14,279

In addition to the above, I received some rebates on attachments, but left those out of the above as I bought some more items and don't know what the rebates applied to.

I don't know the how much more the 60 inch deck is versus the 54.

Bob

 

[JClark]

Koz,

Just checked the JD site and Bob is correct in stating that the 4010 has a true Cat 1 hitch. Deere calls the 2210 hitch "Limited Cat 1". My 4110 has a "true Cat 1 hitch" but it sure is the lesser of equals in relation to the Cat 1 hitch on my old 950.

Like Bigpete, I really like my 4110 (relieve valve issue notwithstanding) and we all seem to have similar conditions. As for the $$, with very little haggling I paid $16,015 for my 4110, FEL, 60" MMM and Frontier BB1060 box blade (tax not included). That's just $500 more than your 4010 quote. Also, let me tell ya, a box blade is a lot more useful than a ballast box and still serves the same purpose.

I guess all this did nothing to help your headache, did it?