1529 power beyond

[shutt40]

Hi
Anyone know how to connect power beyond to a 1529 with the factory installed joystick. The joystick valve connects directly to the hydraulic block on the side of the trans so the normal power beyond port is not available. On the bottom of the valve there are 6 ports four are used for the loader and two are plugged. I am assuming the two plugged ports are for the power beyond feature, but I could be wrong. There are no other ports on the valve and no lettering cast into the valve body beside any of the ports.
Any help would be greatly appreciated
Frank

 

[shutt40]

Ok a little more info
There is an input block on the trans that the line from the pump goes into. The factory loader valve is then bolted to the input block and does not appear to have any input or output lines just work ports. On the top of the input block is a hard line that goes to the rear-end / 3pt. That is probably where I'll have to attach for power beyond the connection at the input block is a threaded port however the connection at the 3pt is a block with 2 bolts, not sure if that is the best description, but it will be hard to make a connection there. I could cut the line and have a fitting welded on, but I'd like to be sure if that is the proper connection before I do anything.
What do the experts think?
Frank

 

[shutt40]

Bump
Is there nobody out there with a 1529 or 32 that has power beyound or aux hydraulics?

Frank

 

[millhaven_nice_guy]

Frank
I have been researching the same thing for my 1532.... Here's what I think. If you look on the tranny/rearend housing behind your passenger rear tire you will see a triangular plate attached with three bolts. I believe this is the connection point for the auxiliary hydraulics but... you need the adapter plate. This may not be correct though. we need one of the dealers here to step in and lead us in the right direction and perhaps provide a part# (if i'm right)
I have narrowed it down to this because of my old 1984 Bolens (made by Iseki). I have a manual for the snowblower that also shows you how to hookup the auxiliary hydraulics to use them for the chute controls. I don't think the valves on or tractors are power beyond compatible.
I have asked my salesman and he didn't know, the parts guy can only sell me the dual remote kit and the tech I had come to my house said he thought I was right but had never installed one of the kits (He thought he noticed one of the other mechanics removing the plate in question)


Once you have the adaptor block it simply a matter of running the supply and return to your new valves.

Anybody out there with a 1529, 1532, 1533 or? and you have rear remotes please follow your hoses and let us know.

BTW, my dealer wants around $1000 CAD for the kit not installed. The kit gives you all the nice handles and brackets so you get a "factory" install but I figure I can do this myself for around $400.

 

[shutt40]

Marc
I looked at that plate as well, it does look like it has a hydraulic passage running through it. If that is the case we may be limited to buying the rear remote kit or a power beyond kit. I was quoted $525 CDN for a single remote, I need to call back and get a quote for the power beyond kit.
Image 1 is a 1529/32 without the factory valve

Image 2, 3 are a 1547 with a factory valve, that is why I was looking at the hard line that goes from behind the factory valve to the 3pt. You'll notice it also has the plate on the side and that may well be for remotes, but not for power beyond.

I'm going to have to remove that line to see if a fitting can be installed at the 3pt end. However before I install hydraulic lines and set it up I was hoping someone could confirm my hookup. I guess there are not allot of 1500s with the factory valve setup.
Frank

 

[jeepcj7]

It hoos up just like a 1547 you have pictured. the power beyond ports are on the end plate of your loader valve.

 

[millhaven_nice_guy]

I believe if we were to go the route with the block on the tranny then we don't need the power beyond? I wish I had a hydraulic schematic for the tractor; the operators manual tells you nothing about the hydraulics but does have a good electrical schematic though.

This power beyond thing baffles me. I take it that essentially "power beyond" allows flow through the primary valve to another control source while not interfering with the function of the primary valve? Does it stop flow to the "power beyond" when the primary valve is actuated?

i still don't quite understand why you can't tee ito the supply line and return line and add a valve there but am slwoly learning that these systems are open loop as opposed to closed loop. In my business (plumbing and heating) we are dealing with closed loop systems all the time so tap-ins are common.

 

[shutt40]

Marc
From what I understand, someone correct me if I'm wrong, a power beyond adapter isolates the open center portion of a hydraulic valve from the return. When the valve is not doing anything the hydraulic fluid flows to the next valve by the power beyond port. When you use the valve, hydraulic fluid is diverted to the work cylinder and there is no fluid for the power beyond, returning fluid from the cylinder goes back out the return line of the valve with no pressure. If you want to have pressurized hydraulic fluid to 2 functions at once the valve needs to have internal parallel hydraulic passages, power beyond will not do that. Sometimes the second valve is hooked up to the return line of the first valve without a power beyond adapter. This will sort of allow you to use both valves at the same time, the problem is the return from the first valve will be pressurized by the second valves input
Frank

 

[shutt40]

Marc
You are correct! I got my power beyond adapter plate, Massey likes to call it a manifold block, and installed it today. Part number for the kit is 4238611 it was $320 CDN. I just got the manifold block part number 1080516M1 it was only $120 CDN. Still kinda pricey but the extra 200 just gets you some 3/8 hose and quick couplers. Here are some pics of the manifold and installation
Also a shot of my backhoe on it's first test installation still have some fine tuning to do to the mount.
Frank

 

[millhaven_nice_guy]

Great News!
Thanks for the part numbers I will have to make a call and see what they cost around here! Amazing that a 20 year old manual for my old Bolens/Iseki gave me the right idea and what to look for. I was quoted over a $1000 CAD for a dual remote kit but that included the valves, hoses, the manifold and the nice levers that all match. I have seen some posts here where guys have mounted the valves on their roll bar and may do something like that instead.

Nice job on that backhoe mount too!!

 

[shutt40]

Marc
If you can get dual remotes for $1000 CDN, that's a good price. I priced the remotes at my dealer and it's $1000 for the first remote kit and $780 for the second. You can buy just the valves for $550 CDN each and then add your own hoses handles and such.
6253417M92 or 6253417M94 First remote kit $984.30 CDN
6253425M92 Second remote Kit $781.18 CDN
3708457M92 Valve assembly (both are the same) $550.58 CDN
The power beyond plate is actually in the parts book for the 1570 backhoe and not the tractor parts book, I had to show the dealer where to find it so he could order it.
My dealer has an E portal so I can check stock and prices online, plus it gives me access to the complete online parts books for all AGCO and Newholland equipment.
I did remove the hard line from the main hydraulic block to the rear diff just to see if it could be hooked up that way. Unfortunately the hole behind that connection block is not threaded so you are pretty much limited to the power beyond manifold. If you know a decent machinist I bet he could make a manifold for you for less than $120. It's just an aluminum plate with 3 bolt holes and 2 hydraulic ports.

Frank

 

[donais]

how much is cad vs us dollar. what would it cost down here

 

[shutt40]

Right now the exchange is around 20%, so aprox 20% cheaper in the US. I don't think you can do a straight exchange rate comparison, a lot would depend on when the dealer set his prices, markup, origin of parts and many other factors. You would need to check with your dealer to be sure. Not sure how my dealer sets prices but they don't vary day to day with the exchange rate.
Frank

 

[millhaven_nice_guy]

Thanks Frank!

I did think about making my own block and will investigate further.

The $1000 price I had was after I bought my tractor but before I took delivery so maybe the dealer was giving me a deal? I'll have to check later when I decide for sure what I am doing.

 

[TractorBob1529]

Hey guys! I hate to admit, but I'm still confuse about the power beyond. I have a 1529 with no aux remote. I need to get at lease a single spool remote to power a BH. Will the power beyond kit be the right way to go or would a single/double spool remote kit be better?

 

[shutt40]

Hi
Remotes are not the way to go if you want power beyond for your backhoe. If you add the remotes you would have to tie one of the handles to give you hydraulics to your backhoe and if you ever moved the remote handle the wrong way you would most likely damage your backhoe valve. You want to get the power beyond kit or the manifold plate. The kit comes with hoses, quick disconnects and such or you could just get the manifold plate and run your own hoses. Unless you have the Massey backhoe the quick disconnects may not be the same so it's probably better to go with just the plate.
Frank

 

[TractorBob1529]

Great information! Thanks for the reply, I was getting ready to order a remote kit. It looks like all I need is the power beyond kit or the manifold kit and I'll be ready to start digging. Is the part number posted earlier work with my MF1529 or is there another parts kit that I have to get. Sorry to sound so dumb, but I only got my tractor for less than a month. I sure am glad that I found TBN.

 

[shutt40]

The part numbers posted will work for both the 1529 and 1532.
PB kit 4238611 comes with 3/8" hoses, quick connects, mounting plate and all required adapters and plugs.
1080516M1 is just the manifold block, you will also need a 1/4 pipe thread plug, quick connects to match your backhoe and 2 adapters from #6 ORB (o-ring boss) to what ever fittings you need for your hoses and of course the hoses.

You have 2 options for the return line from your backhoe
1. you could run a zero pressure return line to the plug on the R/H side of your differential, you would then not be able to move your 3 pt when the backhoe is connected
2. you can run the return line into the upper port of the manifold block. This would leave you 3 pt functional, but be carful you don't want to lift anything heavy or you may damage your backhoe valve.
I went with option 2 that way I can still move the 3pt arms out of the way when installing the backhoe.
Whatever choice you make the pressure and return lines from the manifold block must be connected to each other when the backhoe is removed. This provides hydraulic fluid flow required in an open center system. Also make sure the tractor is turned off when you disconnect and connect the lines.

What make of backhoe do you have?

Frank

 

[TractorBob1529]

I got a Wallenstein GX600 with a sub-frame. Couldn't pass it up for the price. I plan to go with 2nd option for the hook up also. Do you know of a good place to get the parts or should I go with my local dealer? I plan to put some pictures up when I get a chance. Thnak for the info.

 

[shutt40]

Wallenstein makes good stuff I'm sure you'll be happy with it and a sub-frame is the way to go
You will have to get the PB kit or Manifold block from the dealer. The rest of the parts you can get from any place that sells hydraulic fittings and hoses. They are just common parts so If you can find a local place it's better. That way you're not waiting for that one extra part to come in the mail.
Frank