10,000 gallon water tank delivered

[bmac]

What's there to protect from fire in San Diego County?
Everything in the pictures looks like it's already burned out and barren compared to the Lush dense green woods trees forest grass and other heavy vegetation here in Ohio.

We have lots of homes here in OH too but nobody has a big water tank that looks like a silo in their back yard.
CAl has some screwy ideas rules regulations & policies .

So, Mr. LBrown59, after the events in SoCal this week, any regrets about your asinine question and comments?

 

[hankus]

B U M P

Being stupid and keeping it to yourself is one thing, but opening your mouth and letting everyone else know, is the sign of pure ignorance.

 

[SkunkWerX]

Let's hope that Saltman, his family and friends and property are OK. That is first and foremost.

When I heard, a few days ago, that 500,000 had been evacuated, it was staggering. A half-million people. wow.

Out east we had the 2nd worst drought on record. It made me think about brush fires and such. But it's harder for the lush green areas to burn especailly with the summer humidity we get.

I have been out west many times, So Cal, Nevada, Arizona, etc.
Their air is dry, very little or no humidity. The sand and rock won't burn, but everything else is pure tinder! A lit cigarette, a careles camper, some lightening is all it takes to cause what we have just seen. Let it serve to remind us all to be careful with fire, especially in these dry arid areas known for their fires.

After our drought, it made me apprecaite the abundance of water we really have in the east. As of this writing we have gotten 2 to 4 inches of rain, and it will end tomorrow. It will take a long time to make up for our rain deficit, but it's been nice seeing the grass turn green again.

I already knew why they had a requirement for those tanks. Now I think a lot more of America also knows.

Let's hope Saltman can check in with us, maybe in a fe days, maybe in a few weeks, and let us know how things are.

 

[bmac]

Let's hope that Saltman, his family and friends and property are OK. That is first and foremost.

Let's hope Saltman can check in with us, maybe in a fe days, maybe in a few weeks, and let us know how things are.

Amen.

 

[orezok]

Based upon Saltman's description of his location, I have plotted it on todays fire map. See attached. Looks like he's OK.

 

[bmac]

When I zoom in on that satellite photo, I think I see some Mexicans crossing his property.

 

[Willl]

TBN Frapper map.
It's worthless if we don't use it.

Frappr Maps - My Maps

 

[donais]

hey saltman hope you didnt have to leave....i live in ramona. been a refugee since sunday at 9:00 pm ish .got to alpine(normally 40 min away) at 2:30 am finally got to come home on sat. still cant use the water. boy it sucked not being able to go home.. took 7 horses in a 4 horse trailer( three minis in the dressing room). the kids loved it they thought we were just camping.

 

[saltman]

I appreciate all the concern, I am fine and the fires never made it far enough east to affect my land. The overbearing precautions are now coming to light and I totally understand the reason for such requirements. My tank is in, the water lines are all done and all I have left to do is bury the lines. The winds were blowing towards the ocean rather than my land however my home in El Cajon was about 8 miles from the Harris fire but we didn't have to evacuate. My girfriend in Rancho Bernardo was finally let back into her house on Friday.

Oresok your right on with your map my property is exactly where you thought it was. BMAC if you could zoom in I am sure you would see some Mexicans crossing our border near my property since the Border Patrol was MIA all last week.. as they are about 99% of the time. Donais, I am glad your all right and the kids are happy. Wish I could help with the water, I have 10,000 gallons sitting on top of a hill doing no good for anyone right now. If we only had a way to get it to Ramona.

I attached a photo of the Hydrant and a Rattler we ran into during the project.

Thanks again

Derik

 

[MikeD74T]

saltman, Among my father's memorabilia is a Navy unit citation for fighting a wildfire in San Diego County in the early 40's. Why Californians surround their homes with kindling wood is beyond my imagination. Anyway, 10,000 gallons isn't a lot of water when fighting a fire. Since yours is primarily for fire protection, have you investigated class A firefighting foam? It multiplies the effectiveness of your water supply when you need it the most. Questions and Answers About Class A Foam MikeD74T

 

[LBrown59]

Good to hear everythings ok with you.

[/quote=saltman]I appreciate all the concern, I am fine and the fires never made it far enough east to affect my land. The overbearing precautions are now coming to light and I totally understand the reason for such requirements. My tank is in, the water lines are all done and all I have left to do is bury the lines. The winds were blowing towards the ocean rather than my land however my home in El Cajon was about 8 miles from the Harris fire but we didn't have to evacuate. My girfriend in Rancho Bernardo was finally let back into her house on Friday.

Oresok your right on with your map my property is exactly where you thought it was. BMAC if you could zoom in I am sure you would see some Mexicans crossing our border near my property since the Border Patrol was MIA all last week.. as they are about 99% of the time. Donais, I am glad your all right and the kids are happy. Wish I could help with the water, I have 10,000 gallons sitting on top of a hill doing no good for anyone right now. If we only had a way to get it to Ramona.

I attached a photo of the Hydrant and a Rattler we ran into during the project.

Thanks again

Derik[/quote]

 

[LBrown59]

hey saltman hope you didnt have to leave....i live in ramona. been a refugee since sunday at 9:00 pm ish .got to alpine(normally 40 min away) at 2:30 am finally got to come home on sat. still cant use the water. boy it sucked not being able to go home.. took 7 horses in a 4 horse trailer( three minis in the dressing room). the kids loved it they thought we were just camping.

Glad you're all right.

 

[SLOBuds]

For all of you folks living somewhere east of Los Angeles, fyi that southern California is basically a semi-arid desert. Derik's place is the way everything looked here back when Coyote's ruled the roost. Whenever I travel east, I make a point to look out my window, point at the green things and say 'hey look, Mo, those are trees!'

The county in San Luis Obispo has a formula to use for determining the size of a water tank. It is based on the cubic area of the structures that are under protection of the given water tank/attached hydrant. My 4000 square foot house needed less than 5000 gallons of storage. San Diego went with that huge requirement because of the fire losses that you talked about.

You're going to be able to water a whole BUNCH of fruit trees with a 10000 gallon water tank! Maybe I missed it - what is your well production?

Water in these tanks don't stagnate (as long as there is any use at all - or over a small minimum). It has something to do with a relatively small surface area, and the overall enclosure. Physics or biology that I don't fully recall at the moment. I treat my well water because of its hardness, not because of its purity. My water is as hard as nails.

Plenty of folks enjoy the desert beauty. I myself like nice green trees. But the world would be a dull place if everyone were the same.

I've got about 20 employees working in Rancho Bernardo. Our plant was shut down and many had to evacuate their homes. We are blessed that no one lost their houses, and no one was hurt.

 

[LBrown59]

. We are blessed that no one lost their houses, and no one was hurt.

U certainly R

 

[3RRL]

IMHO, 10,000 gals is a lot water to fight a fire.
Anybody know what the big fire trucks carry? I know when the fire marshal came up in his small truck it only held 350 gals. So his (Derik's) tank is a supplement for the trucks anyway, right?

Derik,
What size fitting is on your fire hydrant. What thread size too?

 

[EddieWalker]

Saltman,

Glad to hear you were not affected by the fires. I remember about a dozen years or so ago that Tom Sellick's ranch was spared by the fires storms of the year by some plants he had around his place. Maybe somebody else knows what they are, but these plants will actually stop a fire to some degree.

Eddie

 

[schmism]

IMHO, 10,000 gals is a lot water to fight a fire.
Anybody know what the big fire trucks carry?

a truck or a tanker? the rural volinteer fire dept has a seperate tanker truck that rolls out on most calls .... 3500 gallon with a 5000 gallon holding pond they can set up... so they will set that up... pump the 3500 gallons into it, then run 5-10 miles down the road to a good hydrant, fill up and run back to the "pool"

the trucks on sight pull out of the "pool"

For my upcomming house burn, they said it would be easy because we are within site of the new water tower. "a really good hydrant at the bottom of the tower" the chief says.... i ask... what does that mean? "we can fill the tanker in about 5 mins once we get it hooked up"

 

[firefighter9208]

a truck or a tanker? the rural volinteer fire dept has a seperate tanker truck that rolls out on most calls .... 3500 gallon with a 5000 gallon holding pond they can set up... so they will set that up... pump the 3500 gallons into it, then run 5-10 miles down the road to a good hydrant, fill up and run back to the "pool"

the trucks on sight pull out of the "pool"

For my upcomming house burn, they said it would be easy because we are within site of the new water tower. "a really good hydrant at the bottom of the tower" the chief says.... i ask... what does that mean? "we can fill the tanker in about 5 mins once we get it hooked up"

That "pool" is called a drop tank. And bringing water to the tank with tankers is called a "tanker shuttle". ISO (Insurance Services Organization) will rate a fire department on it's tanker shuttle. They base the needed fire flow for a department's coverage area on the largest 5 buildings withing a 5 mile radius of the department.

It is possible to substain a 1000 GPM flow using a tanker shuttle and tankers. The water source for the tanker shuttle can be a dry hydrant (based in a pond or lake) or a wet hydrant (fire hydrant).

The tankers dump their water into the drop tank with a 10" dump valve. The dump valve is sized to dump the capacity of the tanker within 3 minutes. They then drive the tanker to the water source to refill. With a dry hydrant a portable pump will be used, usually on a trailer, or another fire engine. With a fire hydrant the water system pressure will fill the tankers.

Water is drafted by a fire engine out of the drop tank with a 6" hard suction.

This is a very common way to fire rural structure fires.

 

[HighLoader]

When my tank was put in about three years ago The reqirement was that it had to be at least 50 feet from the house but not more than 150 feet. I am in Riverside County so maybe the requirements are different in San Diego???

Brian

 

[SLOBuds]

When my tank was put in about three years ago The reqirement was that it had to be at least 50 feet from the house but not more than 150 feet. I am in Riverside County so maybe the requirements are different in San Diego???

Brian

Sounds right for San Luis Obispo too.