Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days!

[rontaki]

If you roll the roxor, you have a ɹoxoɹ.

 

[deserteagle71]

apparently you can make them street legal pretty easily.... they sell the flasher kit as a options.

That depends on where you live. Checked into that a while back and nope, State of Nevada will not allow those on a State highway just because you added a flasher/turn signal kit and horn, no more than they will a side by side. Off-highway only.

I spend a lot of time in Utah and Arizona and I've seen side by sides driving the streets with regular automotive license plates on them. But not in Nevada.

 

[jyoutz]

A relative worked for 20 years on the air ambulance. He said that his biggest customers were bikers. Second biggest was Jeep riders. That's what happens when you take an off-road vehicle and turn it into a status symbol for people who don't care to learn how to drive it.

I looked at the Roxor, but am not sure if I could make it road worthy. Also not sure if I want the diesel.

Also, when people modify the suspension so the vehicle becomes tippy.

 

[WinterDeere]

There’s nothing slow about a Wrangler. In fact my V6 Wrangler is far peppier than many trucks and cars I’ve owned.

yeah, the V6 ones are pretty peppy around town, the and the SRT 392 my bought his wife a few years ago is just insane. But those are a thin minority of all the Jeeps on the road, and even those are absolutely terrible on highways.

I love Wranglers in their proper place, and I've even thought of picking up another for myself and the teens to use for local errands, strickly around-town driving.

I just hate when I get stuck behind one on any road in which I know traffic would otherwise be moving much faster. They're definitely not built for highway performance.

 

[Hay Dude]

yeah, the V6 ones are pretty peppy around town, the and the SRT 392 my bought his wife a few years ago is just insane. But those are a thin minority of all the Jeeps on the road, and even those are absolutely terrible on highways.

I love Wranglers in their proper place, and I've even thought of picking up another for myself and the teens to use for local errands, strickly around-town driving.

I just hate when I get stuck behind one on any road in which I know traffic would otherwise be moving much faster. They're definitely not built for highway performance.

When we bought ours in 2020, I thought the 2L turbo was more zippy than the old 6 cylinder.
I don’t know who thinks newer Jeeps are slow. They are not. Maybe it’s the driver you are behind, not the car.
They do have reduced ride quality/handling over 70. Is that what you mean? Off the line they are quick. Cruising 85 on the PA Turnpike for extended drives is not in their wheelhouse.

 

[jyoutz]

yeah, the V6 ones are pretty peppy around town, the and the SRT 392 my bought his wife a few years ago is just insane. But those are a thin minority of all the Jeeps on the road, and even those are absolutely terrible on highways.

I love Wranglers in their proper place, and I've even thought of picking up another for myself and the teens to use for local errands, strickly around-town driving.

I just hate when I get stuck behind one on any road in which I know traffic would otherwise be moving much faster. They're definitely not built for highway performance.

You don’t have experience with the current JLU Wranglers. Most of my driving is interstate travel at 80 mph. Nobody is waiting on me holding up traffic. And most of the poor handling issues at highway speeds is due to owner modifications to suspensions, wheels, tires….

 

[paulsharvey]

I saw last night that 2027 model year brings back the Dodge Dakota, with gas and plug in hybrid versions. They didnt say anything about what engine. I think the 3.6L would be functional and balanced for the mid sized, but if they shoe-horn in a 5.7L or the 3.0TT, that would be a sporty truck


I dont think the 2.2l diesel really makes a lot of sense for the general public, but maybe if they are targeting fleet sales? 200 hp and 332 ft/# wouldn't be bad for fleet vehicles?

 

[Hay Dude]

I saw last night that 2027 model year brings back the Dodge Dakota, with gas and plug in hybrid versions. They didnt say anything about what engine. I think the 3.6L would be functional and balanced for the mid sized, but if they shoe-horn in a 5.7L or the 3.0TT, that would be a sporty truck


I dont think the 2.2l diesel really makes a lot of sense for the general public, but maybe if they are targeting fleet sales? 200 hp and 332 ft/# wouldn't be bad for fleet vehicles?

The small diesel phase is pretty much over. The EPA regs just make them to unreliable and un-robust for the typical small truck owner. They also are cost prohibitive.
The only small diesel that still seems to be appealing is the small Duramax.

 

[WinterDeere]

Maybe it’s the driver you are behind, not the car. They do have reduced ride quality/handling over 70. Is that what you mean? Off the line they are quick. Cruising 85 on the PA Turnpike for extended drives is not in their wheelhouse.

I think we have said nearly the same thing!

You don’t have experience with the current JLU Wranglers. Most of my driving is interstate travel at 80 mph. Nobody is waiting on me holding up traffic. And most of the poor handling issues at highway speeds is due to owner modifications to suspensions, wheels, tires….

I've ridden in a buddy's 2022'ish Rubicon 392 470 hp Wrangler, which was just rediculous, but all those that I owned and drove were older. My siblings and I have owned one with the 4.0L 6-cylinder (1994'ish) one Buick V6 conversion (my CJ-3A), and one I4 (1996'ish). All of ours were plenty peppy off the line and around town, but were downright terrifying at my normal PA Turnpike speeds.

But it's following Wranglers on the road every day that caused me to form this opinion, much more than any I've personally driven. So as stated, maybe its the drivers more than the vehicle. All I know is that I will just about kill us all, to ensure I never end up behind one. For nearly every time I come up behind someone driving below the speed limit in one of those canvas boxes on wheels, I regret it.

 

[Hay Dude]

I think its because they are noisy inside at highway+ speeds. Expecially the soft tops. So on freeways people drive them a bit slower