New 25hp tractor purchase

[helmdog25]

Not sure what creature comforts you're looking for but my 2502 is very comfortable and the suspension seat works really well. I can't think of anything I am missing or would want extra for it.

Didn't realize that, maybe I was looking at the 2501?

 

[tacticalturnip]

What are you looking to do?

You can get quite the large 25 horsepower tractor these days, including the TYM 2515H, Kioti CK2620, Kubota L2502, LS MT226HE, Mahindra 2126, John Deere 3025E, Bobcat CT2025, Bad Boy 4025, and New Holland Workmaster 25.

Lord knows I am missing something, but these are all the large frame 25 horsepower tractors I can remember.

[EDIT]: I forgot Massey Ferguson. It was the 1825E, but it's got a new name after an update. Oh, and the Yanmar SA425!

 

[tacticalturnip]

I started writing my post at work, with no replies to the thread. I forgot to hit send, and found it unsent when I got home.

 

[helmdog25]

Big part of the decision is; do you want a 25hp, Large subcompact (Rk25, TYM T25, Solaris, Massey 1526, Kioti Ck2510) or a small compact (Tym 2515, Kioti ck2620, Kubota L2502, Massey 1M25, Massey 1E25).

If you decide on the big subcompact, look into the Massey 1526

If you decide on the small compact; I do like my Kioti, but the TYM 2515 was a close runner-up. If I had more money, I would have gone with a Massey 1840M (now a Massey 1M40)

Yeah, I prefer the larger frame and tires of the bigger 25s. I thought about a 30-35 hp, but I almost get by with the 15hp I have now. For bigger stuff I have a JD 510C L/B, it just doesn't fit in tight places. My initial primary requirement was a 1k+ FEL & 3pt lift, and want to stay under 60" wide.
I will definitely review your "Full figured 25 hp tractor" posts.

 

[paulsharvey]

So, in that group, make sure you're looking apples to apples. JD, Massey, and im sure others, have a similar name, similar size, premium and economy line, that are actually different machines. So, Massey 1M vs 1E; they both offer around 30-40hp, similar size; but they are unrelated machines; JD E vs R I think is their name convention; I "think" thats the Kubota L vs LX?

Meaning, dont look at the price of a 1E40 if your thinking you want a 1M40; or a 5075E vs 5075R (yeah, I know, we arent in that weight class; but I dont know the name conventions with the JD2 and JD3 series)

 

[Shawn T. W.]

The JD 2025R is basically just a slightly bigger 1025R with bigger tires, similar to the Kubota B2602 is a "Big BX2680" with bigger tires ... The JD 3025 & Kubota L2502 are more of the "economy" tractor lines, while a Huge step up in creature comforts and accessories from 20 years ago the more deluxe versions are the JD "R" and Kubota "Grand L"

Premium features cost money!

I have the premium "M" version of the Massey Ferguson GC series, to be honest for me the only thing I "use" is the seat, which really isn't anything to brag about! But it's a reliable little tractor, Got well over 700 hours on it in 3.5 years!

My Kubota Grand L has features I also don't use, but has a much more comfortable seat!

My John Deere is a "M" which is half way between there "E" & "R" series ... I like it!

My concern with buying a tractor brand that doesn't have a dedicated shop is, how serious are they about staying in business? Will they switch brands next month/year, sure you may be able to buy parts online, but ... What if the manufacturer cuts that line in 3 years, will they still support parts for it?

I'm confident based on past history that I could walk into a John Deere, Kubota, or Massey Ferguson dealer in 20 years and still get parts for my machines, do you think some of these "start ups" will still be there for you in 20 years?

 

[paulsharvey]

So, this is a very regional thing, but around me, Mahindra always has a dealer within 30-45 miles; BUT, it seems to be a different one every couple years. One will start up, and close down, another one will start and then close down.

LS has had a couple, and there is still one within an hour.

Kioti/TYM/Massey/JD/Kubota, you can go 45 miles N, S, E, or W, and probably hit 2 dealers.

 

[Shawn T. W.]

My Massey Ferguson dealer* has been in business for since 1939, not sure when they also took on Mahindra ... But since I moved here 4 years ago he has carried both lines of red tractors.

*Massey Ferguson didn't start calling there tractors that until 1958 after the merger, but he and his father before him were in the tractor business since 1939, I know I've seen an old Allis Chalmers sign down there ...

 

[Too many Kubotas]

My "fourth Kubota" ended up being a Kioti CK2620.

No regrets whatsoever, especially after having saved about $14K. That was with a backhoe, so the savings would likely be smaller without one.

 

[paulsharvey]

Helm, I see you are over on the west coast, but I have had good luck with Black Creek tractor, but down towards you, Ocala Tractor, and the Crystal tractor chains are worth a look.

 

[paulsharvey]

I have also heard good things about Connor Tractor in Ocala as well.

So as an example, on the 25hp vs 35 hp; right now, apples to apples; its $1670 more for a Ck3520 over a Ck2620.

 

[helmdog25]

Welcome. Do you have a trailer (own or rented) to get it yourself? I personally would never buy a tractor (maybe sight unseen) and then have it shipped. I drove to and from and then back to (with a trailer), the dealer 100 miles away in the same day to buy my JD 855. That's about as far as I'd want to go, for a decent deal. Look around (and only at name brand machines IMHO) w/in that range.

Sure, I own a few trailers. That's not generally the issue for me. Time is. Believe it or not, I bought my current house sight unseen. Actually, it's not really that uncommon anymore. I could feel confident enough via research to take the chance, however, I'd probably be 50/50 on going to pick it up. It all depends on how much time my "real" business gives me, cost of shipping and some other timing factors.

 

[paulsharvey]

I did look at the Solaris website; and unless im crazy, they only offer 2 machines, really. 3 transmissions in a 24hp, and a single transmission in a 74hp. The prices are pretty attractive, but the machine itself, looks like a RK25 competition at best, and price vs price; its like $14.5 vs $19.5k. Savings sure, but it would A: make 100% sure the Solaris includes the loader in that price; B: find a dealer, and actually look at/touch/feel it; C: decide if that machine fits your spec

 

[Too many Kubotas]

So as an example, on the 25hp vs 35 hp; right now, apples to apples; its $1670 more for a Ck3520 over a Ck2620.

I didn't want to deal with emission stuff, and apparently it's stupid simple to turn the CK2620 up.

 

[paulsharvey]

I didn't want to deal with emission stuff, and apparently it's stupid simple to turn the CK2620 up.

Yeah and maybe. Yes, it's easy to turn up the 2610 to make it a 3510; but its probably worth the $20/month (or so) to avoid voiding warranty. On the emissions, I haven't seen anyone report real world problems on the Kioti small machines emissions

 

[helmdog25]

Helm, I see you are over on the west coast, but I have had good luck with Black Creek tractor, but down towards you, Ocala Tractor, and the Crystal tractor chains are worth a look.

Yeah, I've exchanged a couple emails with Ocala, they are supposed to get me a couple quotes. Came across Connor today, will check them out. My first reaction to Crystal was hesitation because they have the "call for price" gimmick. I generally don't blindly call sales people anymore, don't want to play their games, but I'll probably end up contacting them at some point.

 

[Too many Kubotas]

Yeah and maybe. Yes, it's easy to turn up the 2610 to make it a 3510; but its probably worth the $20/month (or so) to avoid voiding warranty.

I'm not a warranty person, and for all I know the warranty on mine is already over.

So why haven't I turned it up yet? Lack of time is one reason, and so far the 25 hp has been all I've needed.

 

[tacticalturnip]

If you can put up with the size of the large 25 horsepower machines you will receive a dramatic upgrade in capability, no matter the manufacturer.

It's something to consider.

 

[helmdog25]

I did look at the Solaris website; and unless im crazy, they only offer 2 machines, really. 3 transmissions in a 24hp, and a single transmission in a 74hp. The prices are pretty attractive, but the machine itself, looks like a RK25 competition at best, and price vs price; its like $14.5 vs $19.5k. Savings sure, but it would A: make 100% sure the Solaris includes the loader in that price; B: find a dealer, and actually look at/touch/feel it; C: decide if that machine fits your spec

I think I read that Solis is new in the US and hasn't gotten it's full line released yet. According to their site, Love Power Equipment is a dealer, but I don't see any in their inventory. I emailed them, but they haven't responded (dealers seem resistant to email, but don't get me started on that). I'll see if Dixie gets back to me.

 

[Shawn T. W.]

If a dealer can't be bothered to respond, or are know it all jerks ... I figure they really don't need my business!