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[DarkBlack]

“Walmart and highline Warren lost a 10M class action suit over this same oil label where they advertised it as 303 ingredient (sperm whale oil)”

I think you got your stories mixed up.
First off , nobody lost a lawsuit for labeling it 303 oil. The oils were correctly labeled 303 , but incorrectly stated they were suitable for higher demand applications.

If you run any modern expensive machine you care about, you would know, you never , ever, use low grade 303 oil.

Secondly, it wasn’t specifically a Warren problem , It was mostly Citgo who made the product, and it was sold under various labels, including Supertech 303.
Don’t use 303 oil in a modern machine, no matter who makes it

 

[JTKub]

Pretty intense for a first post. I'm not buying one bit of it. Pics of filters, screens, the drained oil and the substance that "plugged the transmission up" would be helpful. Not the generic AI pics that are there.

It's not even worth discussing OEM vs aftermarket fluids specific to JD unless there's some reality to this.

 

[Hay Dude]

Milky fluid? Wonder if someone bought the hydraulic fluid, used it and retuned it with junk oil or even some water?
I think there was another thread recently where someone bought Travelers oil from Tractor Supply and it had water in it.

 

[4Liberty]

I had a problem with hydraulic oil from tractor supply a while back. 5000 Ford tractor in 6 months time had to change out fluid 3 times until I figured out what was going on. The fluid is designed to absorb a certain amount of water with no problem and then it just cooks off. At first I blamed condensation because tractor kept inside. Then when I was in TSC looking at stuff in their outside lot there sat a skid of oil completely uncovered with rain water on top of the buckets
Got next batch of oil someplace else and problem over.

 

[Lena]

Thanks everyone but I was looking for no politics, deliberations, judgements, or condescending opinions. Perhaps this is not the right forum for large modern ag equipment.

Sorry you had some negative replies. Personally I used walmart engine oil in everything here. Have for years with no problems.

 

[RjCorazza]

It's poor form to delete (by editing) the original post on a thread.

 

[Robin Veerman]

Yep, cause now I have no idea what all the hullabaloo is all about….

 

[hayden]

Yep, cause now I have no idea what all the hullabaloo is all about….

I agree. The title, thread, and all its content have been gutted to the point of no value. I don't know if the OP edited it, or the site team, but it's all kind of useless now.

 

[RjCorazza]

I agree. The title, thread, and all its content have been gutted to the point of no value. I don't know if the OP edited it, or the site team, but it's all kind of useless now.

The OP basically dumped 10 gallons of Walmart hydraulic oil into his expensive ag machinery, showed some vague pictures of almost certainly water contaminated oil, and quoted some partially correct information about the 303 oil debacle of about a decade ago. I believe he is going to have Walmart replace all of his equipment.
He edited out the original post. In his defence, the forum was a little rough on him.
I believe that sums it up.

 

[hayden]

The OP basically dumped 10 gallons of Walmart hydraulic oil into his expensive ag machinery, showed some vague pictures of almost certainly water contaminated oil, and quoted some partially correct information about the 303 oil debacle of about a decade ago. I believe he is going to have Walmart replace all of his equipment.
He edited out the original post. In his defence, the forum was a little rough on him.
I believe that sums it up.

Yes, I saw the original post, but I think anyone coming along now won't be able to make heads or tales of it.

In my opinion, unless there was a clear oil type incompatibility, the mixed oils should not have reacted as shown. So whether there is no abnormality in the WM oil, it was defective in some way, was returned waste oil as some speculated, I don't know, and I suppose we never will know. My only take away was that 1) the oil was sampled and tested, 2) if those results could have in any way pointed the finger at the OP, Walmart would not have settled with him.

Yes, waiting to get Deere oil would have been the ideal course of action, but when you have a machine down and work to do, sometimes compromises have to be made. If the WM oil met the Deere specs, I would have used it too in an emergency situation, and I would not have expected any adverse reaction. This is why we have oil specifications. Did the oil meet Deere specs? We don't know. The OP selected it because there was a picture of a Deere tractor on the label. That is not good due diligence, and may have been the fatal turn. But that picture is also suggestive compatibility from Walmart... It's complicated.

I think the moral of the story is:

1) Check spec requirements carefully, and know what your machine requires.

2) Be sure any fluids you buy are factory sealed before using them.

3) Plan on being blamed for whatever the problem is by some people when you post about it on TBN.

 

[LHF2019]

Yep, cause now I have no idea what all the hullabaloo is all about….

I agree. The title, thread, and all its content have been gutted to the point of no value. I don't know if the OP edited it, or the site team, but it's all kind of useless now.

Post number 16 has the original post still showing in the quote.

 

[Shawn T. W.]

Yeah, as I was reading, I was hoping someone had quoted the OP, so I'd know what this was all about ... Thank you @Cycledude for post #16 !

I like to have "fingerprint investments" ... Stuff I have that I have possession of, and have my fingerprints on it from putting it up for when I may need it ... I keep a full supply of all filters and fluids for each engine/vehicle I own for at least one complete change ... Usually multiple "extras"!

 

[California]

... I keep a full supply of all filters and fluids for each engine/vehicle I own for at least one complete change ... Usually multiple "extras"!

I think most of us do that. And in the case of less expensive equipment than the OP, a backup machine or two. Maybe something that was retired but still workable, if less efficient.

When getting the harvest in is a 'bet the farm' critical task, this seems only reasonable.

 

[number two]

And the OP hasn't been back since Sunday!

 

[BX23S-1]

Seems the thread has turned into a pile of [insert your own word] and should be just entirely deleted.

 

[BX23S-1]

For those who may have missed the beginning, here it is straight from the OP before he EDITED the entire post.

Gabby Farms said:
Mislabeled, fraudulent marketing and failing to warn not to mix their product with John Deere hygard hydraulic oil plugged up the oil passages in the transmission. Moreover, it ruined the 1750 6 row planter vacuum metered pump with less than 300 acres on it. After the sudden and catastrophic failure, I began to question why would an oem parts/fluid annually maintained tractor and transmission fail out of the blue. The answer was Wal-Mart and Highline Warren Super Tech Tractor and Transmission Universal fluid - it was the only thing I did differently this planting season. I needed an emergency supply after 2 planter hoses unexpectedly burst. Never have I used anything other than hygard in the 2500 hours of use until this isolated situation. I looked for a reliable and safe substitute and Walmart showed a John Deere tech pouring the product into a large John Deere row crop tractor, implying it was recommended by JD. The label stated it was applications calling for several manufacturers standards including JD20c. Walmart and highline Warren lost a 10M class action suit over this same oil label where they advertised it as 303 ingredient (sperm whale oil) when in fact that ingredient was outlawed in the 1970s. This wasn’t the first time they were called out for the same deception and government investigators found the oil to have amongst other subpar ingredients, used transformer oil mixed in it. Really? Would any of you willingly put used transformer oil in your $150,000 row crop tractor? I had no reason to know any different bc I always used hygard but this time I didn’t have any on hand and it was a Sunday morning. Both corporations were aware of this mislabeling and failure to warn deception but have done nothing to correct it in such a way to deter my purchase had it warned to not mix oils, let alone lacking an ISO rating. They lied about a product of theirs and many of us farmers have been damaged by their greed. We as consumers rely on labeling to decide on purchases such as this and consumer protection laws are in place for this very reason. I do not possess a petroleum engineering degree and this it was more important to disclose the oils limitations. It advertised equality to John Deere by the labeling and it failed to do what the label explicitly said it would do - protect my $150,000 tractor. It didn’t. Factually, it did just the opposite and caused a complete shutdown of our field operations to this day. That was 3 months ago. 3 days of intermittent use was all it took to render my only row crop inoperable during the crop protection season. A claim was filed with solid evidence along with many legal precedents demanding repair costs, business interruptions and irreparable crop damages compensation for their product liability just last week. The tractor reman IVT replacement cost is over $50,000 alone given the need to split the tractor. That machine’s maintenance record exceeds John Deere schedule and had no transmission or hydraulic issues whatsoever prior to that day I topped off the sump with 10 gallons of their fluid.

I’m posting this not for advise but rather wanting to know how many others out there have large corporations lying to them, if not the ones aforestated here. Consumers are protected against fraudulent products and we have no clue who is stealing from us farmers and other hard working Americans alike. Attached are pictures of the label as well as what happens when super tech is mixed with hygard. If you or someone you know has suffered losses after using this product, please do not sit on your hands and assume you have no rights to make these companies be held culpable for their product liabilities.