Hydraulic Problem After Hoses Replaced

[ptsg]

The fluid goes from loader valve to remotes then 3 pt hitch. Does it have remotes? Is one of them stuck in detent? This would cause the 3 pt to not work.

 

[Kaizer Peas]

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Thanks for the info. I have front and back remote. The back one is for my backhoe and the front one is for my dozer blade.
My problem seems to be low pressure to the remotes and loader.

 

[Kaizer Peas]

How does the joystick on a tractor get it's pressure from the hydraulic pump?

 

[ptsg]

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How does the joystick on a tractor get it's pressure from the hydraulic pump?

Usually the fluid goes from Pump > hydraulic block under the right foot rest > loader valve > from power beyond port of loader valve to remotes > from power beyond port of the remotes to 3 pt hitch .

Some tractors have this hydraulic block, others don't and goes directly from pump to loader valve.

 

[Kaizer Peas]

Thanks very much for the info prsb.
The thing I don't understand is on my loader valve joy stick I have two valves to the rear remote for the back hoe and on for the to the 3 point hitch lift arm.Then there are 4 loader valves but there is no connection from the hydraulic block I haven't looked for under the right foot rest yet. I'm trying to get a better knowledge of how the hydraulic system works to avoid
taking it to the dealer 70 miles away at a cost of $100 one way. ugh!!

 

[oldnslo]

I am not familiar with your tractor but would suggest follow the pressure line from the pump. It should lead you to either a block mounted on the trans housing or straight to the loader valve. Then the loader valve should have a total of seven lines connected to it.

1 for pressure in
1 for tank
1 for power beyond
2 for loader lift lower
2 for bucket curl dump

What we don’t know is how is that solenoid operated 3rd function valve plumbed.

Another unknown is which of the hoses listed above did you change that started this problem?

 

[Kaizer Peas]

One important thing to know about my hydraulic system is that I have two hydraulic pumps. The main one supplies the filter @ 8.4 gpm and the filter puts it in the transmission case.
The high pressure one supplies 2886 psi to the hydraulic power cylinder that has two outputs connectors that go into the lift arm case of the 3 point hitch. From the case a nozzle
connected to hose that goes to the joy stick.
The lift arm won't raise now so my next question is why?

 

[oldnslo]

One important thing to know about my hydraulic system is that I have two hydraulic pumps. The main one supplies the filter @ 8.4 gpm and the filter puts it in the transmission case.
The high pressure one supplies 2886 psi to the hydraulic power cylinder that has two outputs connectors that go into the lift arm case of the 3 point hitch. From the case a nozzle
connected to hose that goes to the joy stick.
The lift arm won't raise now so my next question is why?

Dual pumps is common, one for steering and the other for implements

You state one is connected to case of 3 point and then a nozzle to hose to joystick. What do you mean by “nozzle”?

We have told you multiple times that on most tractors the 3 point is the last item in line to get oil. Flow goes from pump to either block on trans housing or if no block direct to loader valve then from loader valve to rear remotes if installed then to three point.

which takes us back to my questions in post #25 on what hoses did you replace that created this problem. Until you answer that you are wasting everyones time…

 

[Harry in Ky]

I think all you've managed here is to get everyone else as confused as you are. Some of us out here may be familiar with your particular tractor model, some not so much. You're the only one looking at it, everyone else is just guessing at what you actually have. It might help some if we were all on the same page terminology wise. Reading previous posts I see mention of valves going here and there, (which I assume are actually lines or hoses) a pump supplying a filter, four loader valves, etc. I, for one, can't make much sense of most of that.

I think you need to start at the pump. Yes, it's actually two pumps, we all know that now. One supplies the hydraulics you have problems with, the other supplies transmission and steering. Let's get beyond that. Follow the line from the main pump section and see where it goes. Usually the loader valve will be first in line for oil flow, but not always. Can you confirm if that's the case or not? The loader valve should have three lines connecting it to the tractor. One pump pressure, one power beyond (leading back into the tractor remotes and three point lift) and a third one for open sump return. That's what most of us expect so our comments reflect that. Maybe you have that maybe not. Are you familiar with the term power beyond, and how it applies in a system like this?

 

[Kaizer Peas]

I don't want to waste any ones time but this is the "nozzle" that has a connection to the case of the lift arm and another connection to the hoses I replaced. It is 7 feet long and goes to a connector on the joy stick.
I got the hydraulic system from Branson schematic and it clearly shows that the high pressure line ends up at the Lift arm case and back to the joy stick.

 

[oldnslo]

Are you getting pressure past that quick disconnect? Reason for asking is that they have been known to fail.

If you have schematic can you post it? That might help us understand your system and also aide in suggestions on where to look for the problem item.

 

[Kaizer Peas]

Here is the requested schematic.

 

[Harry in Ky]

Actually that's pretty much worthless in this situation. It's merely the basic tractor layout, and shows the pump output going straight to the three point. It shows absolutely nothing in regard to all the valves, changes, and additions that you have. The one component labeled "outer connector in - out" may be a supply port for externals, and COULD be the source for pressure flow to the loader valve. That's about all I can make out from this. Maybe someone else will have better luck.

 

[Kaizer Peas]

I finally got the 3 point hitch to work by tying both rear remotes together.
This also got the front remote, or I might be using the wrong term, to now I have full function of the loader of which I had none of before. The hose that was spraying before is now dripping, still a problem. But will solve it soon.

 

[oldnslo]

Kaizer,
In the Branson section of these forums is a post started by Asteral that has a majority of the service and parts manuals available to down load. I believe you would be looking for the 10 series information. The Hydraulics section does NOT show the loader valve but it does show where it would be connected if installed properly and may provide you some guidance on trouble shooting for system since what you describe above sounds like a band aide.

 

[Harry in Ky]

Or less.

 

[Kaizer Peas]

oldsnlo, thanks for the suggestion but I have the service parts and manuals. Problems is I have front and rear remotes that are hard to find parts or manuals that could help much.
Thank you very much for your thoughtfulness.

 

[Fxfymn413]

Sounds like you found a fix, and I may have missed it on the replies, but did you try the obvious and just put the old lines back on to see if it cured the problem?

 

[NotSoMeanJoeGreene]

Sounds like a disconnect- check the coupling for missing/torn/misaligned seal and smoothe then reconnect hose. If it persists get video of the leak actively sound and analyze whether it is from threaded side or coupler side.

 

[Lavender Valley]

I have a 2007 Branson 3510i tractor with front and rear remotes on a BL10S loader. Had it for 14 years with no loader problems, recently found a hose with a leak and since I'm not near any place for service I decided to go ahead and replace 5 hoses that showed wear and potential for problems.

Got replacements made, brought them home and installed them exactly as others came out. Now, attempting to raise the boom, one of the output hoses from the remote spews out hydraulic fluid below the coupling and the rockshaft won't raise.

Nothing works, what to do?
A few photos might help.View attachment 1045788View attachment 1045789View attachment 1045790

When there is more than one operation, like front-end loader and rear hydraulic outlets one or the other will have power beyond. track the oil flow from the pump and the flow will either go to the rear controls or too the loader control. If it goes to the loader control you will see pressure in, then power- beyond, and back to the "tank". You may have power-beyond and tank hoses back to front. Do the rear hydraulic outlets work? this will tell you if the flow is correct. Hope that makes sense and helps.