Old trucks can still tow! My numbers

[mcj115]

I have owned a 2002 chevy Silverado 4.3L WT single cab long bed since new, but have never used it for anything other than normal homeowner hauling. I had access to larger trucks (rollbacks, medium wreckers) for any of my heavy needs. Over the past few years I lost access to the heavier trucks and now find myself needing to use the truck for towing. I was/am tempted to buy a newer larger truck but the sticker prices chase me off.

For recent projects I have acquired a Bobcat 743 skid loader. (just what every suburban homeowner needs!) I recently started moving and towing the loader and just decided to dive into the data to see how safe or unsafe the rig is in respect to towing...boy was I surprised.

This is all at home DYI weights with a set of portable scales; which are out of their calibration date--but still seem accurate but are close enough for good directional info.
The truck does not have stated tow rating like modern trucks on the door, just GVWR and axle capacities. GVWR is 6400lbs, the front axle is rated at 3150lbs, and rated at 3686 lbs. I am cheap and have the truck registered for 5000lbs for cheaper registration, instead of the 6400 lbs.

Details
Trailer 14' 10,000 Hudson equipment trailer it weighs in about 1950 -2000lbs; 1000lbs on each axle ~200lbs tounge weight
Skid loader 1987 Bobcat 743 weighs 5150lbs with bucket and forks.
Truck unlaiden is ~4700 lbs. ~2550 lbs on the front, and~2150 rear.

Loaded is what makes me happy for a lowly optioned WT with a little N/A V6 in it. This is with a weight distribution hitch but not optimally adjusted.
Trailer is ~6560lbs. 3350 front, 3200 rear; ~600 lbs tounge weight.
The truck weight in 5200 lbs. 2600 front and 2600lbs rear.
Granted I am slightly above my registered 5.2 k vs 5k eight but only by ~4%

if I follow the numbers if I were to totally load the trailer to it's 10k limit, my truck could haul it within it's ratings. Each trailer axle would be ~5k, and my truck would add ~ 1000 lbs to it's curb weight at (4700+1000)5700lbs. Granted I would be over my registered limit of 5k but I would still be within the door GWVR of 6400lbs.

Overall not bad for an ol' work truck. I don't think I need a new shiny toy since this can safely tow what I need as a homeowner.

 

[tacticalturnip]

The '99-'07 GM trucks are among my favorite, great workhorses and good family vehicles too. I owned 4 of them over the years.

That said, where do you live to have separate registration classes for a half-ton pickup?

 

[mcj115]

Pennsylvania. As with most truck registrations yi have ever delt with you choose the registered weight at or below the GVW of the vehicle which translates to different costs depending on the weight class. Just that you truck is capable of a certain weight capacity doesn't mean you will use it so just register it as less and save on registration. Sometime with medium/ heavy trucks you need to derate them which means removing a spring or changing tires. There is risk in commercial truck category to get in trouble if your weight is over registered but for a small pickup 1/2 or 3/4 ton you don't really need to worry unless you are grossly overloaded. The only problem I have had in 20 years was at the quarry when I wanted a ton of aggregate but they only gave me about 500 lbs due to my registered weight.

 

[tacticalturnip]

That's so foreign to me; as long as you're under 10k you can run passenger plates all day, over that you need 'commercial' plates. I basically have passenger plates on my F350, and it's totally cool so long as I don't go over 10k pounds GCWR. I can only speak for Maine, though.

Ironically, at 11400 lb GVWR, I can't actually max load my truck. Not that I realistically could anyhow, as it's just some retirees daily driver.

 

[dodge man]

I’d say your analysis is good and goes beyond what most people do.

 

[mcj115]

There are lies, darn lies and statistics.....you can't make an informed decision without data! I am also lucky enough to have access to the scales.

I wanted to share these observations with others who may have similar equipment so they may have and idea of how they are loaded and what they can carry.

The next time I load the truck I will play with proper setting of the weight distributing hitch to see how much weight I can transfer to and from the front axle.

I am just surprised...I was under the impression that a new 2024 Silverado would be so far ahead rating wise compared to my 22 year old WT. The current entry level 2024 Silverado (which mine was when purchased) with the four banger is only rated at 9500lbs max towing so things have actually been downgraded when comparing new apples to old apples.

 

[tacticalturnip]

I'd trust a 4.3 to do more towing in the long term than any turbo 4; there is no science behind it, just personal opinion and bias, lol.

You've got a good truck.

 

[topgun05]

While your trailer maybe could handle the 10k alone, depending on your truck configuration the 10k is the GCWR meaning Combined; the truck weight plus the trailer weight plus the what's on it equals 10k total. period. per Owner Man.

 

[Snobdds]

While your trailer maybe could handle the 10k alone, depending on your truck configuration the 10k is the GCWR meaning Combined; the truck weight plus the trailer weight plus the what's on it equals 10k total. period. per Owner Man.
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Yes, he's over on gcwr. Even a 7k trailer puts him over.
Half tons just don't have the gcwr to handle big trailers.

 

[devidevidevi]

I have owned a 2002 chevy Silverado 4.3L WT single cab long bed since new, but have never used it for anything other than normal homeowner hauling. I had access to larger trucks (rollbacks, medium wreckers) for any of my heavy needs. Over the past few years I lost access to the heavier trucks and now find myself needing to use the truck for towing. I was/am tempted to buy a newer larger truck but the sticker prices chase me off.

For recent projects I have acquired a Bobcat 743 skid loader. (just what every suburban homeowner needs!) I recently started moving and towing the loader and just decided to dive into the data to see how safe or unsafe the rig is in respect to towing...boy was I surprised.

This is all at home DYI weights with a set of portable scales; which are out of their calibration date--but still seem accurate but are close enough for good directional info.
The truck does not have stated tow rating like modern trucks on the door, just GVWR and axle capacities. GVWR is 6400lbs, the front axle is rated at 3150lbs, and rated at 3686 lbs. I am cheap and have the truck registered for 5000lbs for cheaper registration, instead of the 6400 lbs.

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Trailer 14' 10,000 Hudson equipment trailer it weighs in about 1950 -2000lbs; 1000lbs on each axle ~200lbs tounge weight
Skid loader 1987 Bobcat 743 weighs 5150lbs with bucket and forks.
Truck unlaiden is ~4700 lbs. ~2550 lbs on the front, and~2150 rear.

Loaded is what makes me happy for a lowly optioned WT with a little N/A V6 in it. This is with a weight distribution hitch but not optimally adjusted.
Trailer is ~6560lbs. 3350 front, 3200 rear; ~600 lbs tounge weight.If you're looking for a break from the action, why not try your luck at our for some added excitement?
The truck weight in 5200 lbs. 2600 front and 2600lbs rear. If you're looking for a break from the action, why not try your luck at our for some added excitement?
Granted I am slightly above my registered 5.2 k vs 5k eight but only by ~4%

if I follow the numbers if I were to totally load the trailer to it's 10k limit, my truck could haul it within it's ratings. Each trailer axle would be ~5k, and my truck would add ~ 1000 lbs to it's curb weight at (4700+1000)5700lbs. Granted I would be over my registered limit of 5k but I would still be within the door GWVR of 6400lbs.

Overall not bad for an ol' work truck. I don't think I need a new shiny toy since this can safely tow what I need as a homeowner.

I've had my 2002 Chevy Silverado 4.3L WT single cab long bed since it was new, but it's mostly been used for light homeowner tasks. I used to have access to bigger trucks for heavier jobs, so I never really needed to push the Silverado. Lately, though,If you're looking for a break from the action, why not try your luck at our for some added excitement? I lost access to those larger trucks and find myself needing to use my Silverado for towing. I've thought about getting a newer, bigger truck, but the high prices are hard to justify. Now, I'm considering how to make the most of what I've got

 

[nisaacs]

'02 is not old, '74 was a good year...

 

[LHF2019]

'02 is not old, '74 was a good year...

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That’s a nice truck. Wife’s not a ford but I bet she would go for that. Got to love western trucks and tractors. And I didn’t even look where your from. Just don’t see neat stuff on the east side. Why bother they just rust away

 

[LHF2019]

That's so foreign to me; as long as you're under 10k you can run passenger plates all day, over that you need 'commercial' plates. I basically have passenger plates on my F350, and it's totally cool so long as I don't go over 10k pounds GCWR. I can only speak for Maine, though.

Ironically, at 11400 lb GVWR, I can't actually max load my truck. Not that I realistically could anyhow, as it's just some retirees daily driver.

When I got my ck3500 I took it to class 4A. At class 3 with 3 people technically overweight and figured if ever stopped with trailer I would be better off with higher class. What a waste of money. Now it’s farm plated

 

[WinterDeere]

Pennsylvania. As with most truck registrations yi have ever delt with you choose the registered weight at or below the GVW of the vehicle which translates to different costs depending on the weight class. Just that you truck is capable of a certain weight capacity doesn't mean you will use it so just register it as less and save on registration.

Another PA driver here. Yeah, every 1/2 ton I've ever owned gets that "Class 2" weight sticker on the windshield. Registration costs a few bucks more, but not so much as to make it worth dickering around with registering at a lower class.

I believe our "Class 1" limit is only 5000 lb. gross, and with the curb weight on most pickups being around 4600 lb. (since at least 1990's), it'd be awful difficult to use one under 5000 lb. Hell, two passengers and a full tank of gas would put you over the class 1 limit!

I thought these vehicle classes were national, didn't realize it was a PA thing.

 

[Renze]

The only problem I have had in 20 years was at the quarry when I wanted a ton of aggregate but they only gave me about 500 lbs due to my registered weight.

What a nice guys at your quarry. When i picked up gardening topsoil for my fathers flower bed, the loader operator had a big grin on his face to see the scale run up to 5960kg, with my old Volvo S70 TDI. Not that that diesel really cared as it took off by just slowly releasing the clutch without revving up first, but i was quite illegal. Add my father, myself and my nephew and we would be 6150kg or 13.600 pounds.

 

[Panik]

I am just surprised...I was under the impression that a new 2024 Silverado would be so far ahead rating wise compared to my 22 year old WT. The current entry level 2024 Silverado (which mine was when purchased) with the four banger is only rated at 9500lbs max towing so things have actually been downgraded when comparing new apples to old apples.

....and then there's the other end of the equation.... I had a 2014 GMC rated to tow ~9800lbs max I believe. Over the 7 years it was in my possession I used it for towing several times a year and on occasion up around the max rating in combination with a 10K trailer. Always handled fine for my relatively limited needs. Truly I enjoyed the truck and its capabilities. The problem was that it ate two transmissions while I owned it, and then ate a third after I sold it to my mechanic when the AFM system started acting up and required about $5K worth of repairs.

 

[Joel/ak]

Another PA driver here. Yeah, every 1/2 ton I've ever owned gets that "Class 2" weight sticker on the windshield. Registration costs a few bucks more, but not so much as to make it worth dickering around with registering at a lower class.

I believe our "Class 1" limit is only 5000 lb. gross, and with the curb weight on most pickups being around 4600 lb. (since at least 1990's), it'd be awful difficult to use one under 5000 lb. Hell, two passengers and a full tank of gas would put you over the class 1 limit!

I thought these vehicle classes were national, didn't realize it was a PA thing.

Even 1/2 tons you guys have to rate for towing? I complain about Michigan laws but I guess I will stop doing that.

 

[WinterDeere]

Even 1/2 tons you guys have to rate for towing? I complain about Michigan laws but I guess I will stop doing that.

5000 lb. is limit for class 1 vehicles. Again, I always thought this was a national thing, not a PA thing. I guess I wouldn't know, since every vehicle I've ever owned has been registered in PA.

Not a big deal, the dealership slaps a "Class 2" sticker in the windshield at time of purchase, and it stays there until you sell the truck. Registration is a few dollars more, but not enough that I'm really worried about it.

 

[jyoutz]

Pennsylvania. As with most truck registrations yi have ever delt with you choose the registered weight at or below the GVW of the vehicle which translates to different costs depending on the weight class. Just that you truck is capable of a certain weight capacity doesn't mean you will use it so just register it as less and save on registration. Sometime with medium/ heavy trucks you need to derate them which means removing a spring or changing tires. There is risk in commercial truck category to get in trouble if your weight is over registered but for a small pickup 1/2 or 3/4 ton you don't really need to worry unless you are grossly overloaded. The only problem I have had in 20 years was at the quarry when I wanted a ton of aggregate but they only gave me about 500 lbs due to my registered weight.

Wow. I never heard of registration options by GVW. Everywhere I’ve lived, they charge registration by private or commercial use and by truck category: 1/2, 3/4, 1 ton, ect…

 

[4570Man]

Wow. I never heard of registration options by GVW. Everywhere I’ve lived, they charge registration by private or commercial use and by truck category: 1/2, 3/4, 1 ton, ect…

Here in TN they have regular passenger vehicle tags for $29 a year that are good for up to 8,000 pounds. They rarely if ever harass people for towing boats or campers with those tags even though they’re over 8,000 pounds. Then they have J tags that are for agriculture and personal use which you can buy between 8,000 and 80,000 pounds. They have H tags for commercial use that cost about 4x what the J tags cost for the same weight. You can buy whatever tag you want to pay for any vehicle. You can put an 80,000 pound tag on a ford ranger if you want to. Of course you can’t haul 80,000 with a ford ranger but if you want to pay the money for the tag nobody is stopping you. You can put a 16,000 pound tag on a semi tractor and drive it empty if you want to. Troopers largely don’t care about towing capacity from what I’ve seen. They do care about axel weight. Unlike towing capacity axel capacity is clearly stamped on the vehicle and trailer and easy to check. You’ll overload the rear axle on non dually pickups faster than most people realize.