I love electric vehicles. But increasingly I feel duped

[Williy]

IMHO I don't believe anything will get better just worse!

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[Hay Dude]

Nothing has to "get ugly" unless we let it. Both sides need to step back and cool the extreme rhetoric. Not everyone who disagrees with you is your enemy.

You’re missing the forest through the tress.
We all know not everyone who disagrees with us is our enemy.
Our “enemy” is the people sowing the discord between us. They do this by abusing our laws, rights & protections afforded us by our Constitution.

Think harder. Think who it is that is making us dislike each other? Who spreads false propaganda about their “opposition”? Who breaks even our most basic rules of law? Our Constitutional rights?

People are getting p*ssed off that laws are openly being broken and rights are being abused.

THAT gets people real angry with each other.

 

[Thall303]

Pretty well put!

 

[Hay Dude]

Yep. You are correct.

Getting right with God is the ultimate prep.

Anyone felt their prayers have changed? Historically, I primarily prayed for my family.

In the last 10 years, I have been praying for my country just as much as my family. I pray we can somehow run these Marxist tyrants off the planet and get back to freedom and rule of law.

Kind of circles back to EV’s, in a way. Having petty tyrants force us or shame us into EV’s is just wrong.
Freedom to choose is what makes this country great. The cloak of lies that EV’s are less polluting than a 25MPG ICE vehicle have been exposed.
With todays much cleaner ICE vehicles, people should have the freedom to drive what they want without penalty or fear of shame/retribution.

 

[shooterdon]

Anyone felt their prayers have changed? Historically, I primarily prayed for my family.

In the last 10 years, I have been praying for my country just as much as my family. I pray we can somehow run these Marxist tyrants off the planet and get back to freedom and rule of law.

Kind of circles back to EV’s, in a way. Having petty tyrants force us or shame us into EV’s is just wrong.
Freedom to choose is what makes this country great. The cloak of lies that EV’s are less polluting than a 25MPG ICE vehicle have been exposed.
With todays much cleaner ICE vehicles, people should have the freedom to drive what they want without penalty or fear of shame/retribution.

The "all in" EV thing is pure BS. The main driver has been climate change and only a fool would believe the story told about that.

China is pushing EV's because they have about 1/3 of the oil production of the US with over three times our population. Plus China has the mineral resources to sustain EVs without the "environmental crazies" that limit our ability to mine. China powers with coal and enforces little or no pollution controls on their plants. So, we have the world's largest polluter (China produces twice the CO2 of the US) moving to EVs because they have no other choice. And the morons on the left lap it all up for "the good of the children".

We are being driven to EVs by our greatest enemy and people are too ignorant to see it.

EVs have their place, and they will gain more market share, but they are not the best way to address the needs of everyone. The mandates and incentives are justifiably resented by people who have critical thinking skills. BTW, that is not meant to insult EV lovers but is a general statement of fact. I would buy an EV if it worked for me but not to 'save the planet'.

 

[DarkBlack]

Yup. We have great oil reserves and a successful ICE vehicle industry, but our rulers are forcing us to Chinese solar panels (97%) , and vehicles reliant on Chinese sourced batteries.
But they’re looking out for us, because they’re going to ban Tic-Tok…hey, look of there!

 

[DarkBlack]

Most of us here are probably old enough to remember, being taught the fact that all life on earth, is carbon based, at an early age.
The fact that all animals exhaling CO2, going to plant life, depending on taking in CO2, breaking the carbon, oxygen bond to build plant tissue…. Is the cycle of life on earth.

We’re also old enough to remember when extreme groups convinced our rulers to start calling the molecules of life…CO2, …a pollution, which is a downright lie

What most don’t know, is that currently , CO2 comprises only 417ppm.. that’s 0.04% of our atmosphere! Sheeple are being brainwashed into believing a 10% increase is destroying the planet.
Raising CO2 10% means CO2 going from 0.04%, to 0.044%

We are carbon based. We exhale CO2…

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

During the Jurassic period, CO2 levels were 500% more than they are today.

That's why the dinosaurs drove EVs.

 

[Egon]

Perhaps a felt pen would be preferable for drawing!

But your okay that your battery storage gets its lithuim etc mined in third world countries by children .....hmmm View attachment 857475

I had to draw on a person once and I prefer having a gun rather than a stick.

Being prepared is different than wanting something to happen.

I carry a gun not because I want to shoot people, but because I may need to. The same applies to guns I have staged around the house. I had to draw on a person once and I prefer having a gun rather than a stick.

I have food stocked not because I want the SHTF but because it might. BTW it came in handy during Covid. We only went to the store once every two or three weeks when it was really crazy.

I have a whole house generator and fuel for two months not because I want the power grid to go out for weeks at a time, but it might.

I am well armed and able to manufacture bullets and ammunition for a long time if "peaceful protests" become the new normal and less peaceful. If the government "temporarily" bans the sale of ammunition, powder or primers for the sake of "public safety", I and the people I will be depending on, will not be affected.

I live in the sticks where neighbors will band together if things get bad. We will not need to leave and "get away". No need to run 5 km or carry much.

BTW, when I said things will get ugly, I was not suggesting a civil war. That makes no sense. Who is the enemy? People are not going to walk around with "I support Bidet or Rump" patches on their shirts. Things get ugly when folks lose jobs, cars, and homes. Things get ugly when people are assaulted, their property stolen, and criminals are not incarcerated...oh wait, some places run by Democrats are already like that...LOL.

There will not be a civil war in the US. It is more likely judges and employees of government agencies perceived as corrupt and/or enforcing "unfair laws" will be targeted. Elected officials will also be targeted. Read the book "Unintended Consequences" by John Ross.

Those people will be called "Domestic Terrorists". When thing get bad, people will blame those in power and positions of authority for their misery. 'Terrorists" targeting the cause of problems will not be feared by the population.

 

[Fixastuff]

You’re missing the forest through the tress.
We all know not everyone who disagrees with us is our enemy.
Our “enemy” is the people sowing the discord between us. They do this by abusing our laws, rights & protections afforded us by our Constitution.

Thnk harder. Think who it is that is making us dislike each other? Who spreads false propaganda about their “opposition”? Who breaks even our most basic rules of law? Our Constitutional rights?

People are getting p*ssed off that laws are openly being broken and rights are being abused.

THAT gets people real angry with each other.

Maybe the ones sowing discord are the one proclaiming we will fail daily??

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

I see so much confirmation here

 

[tradosaurus]

Anyone felt their prayers have changed? Historically, I primarily prayed for my family.

In the last 10 years, I have been praying for my country just as much as my family. I pray we can somehow run these Marxist tyrants off the planet and get back to freedom and rule of law.

Kind of circles back to EV’s, in a way. Having petty tyrants force us or shame us into EV’s is just wrong.
Freedom to choose is what makes this country great. The cloak of lies that EV’s are less polluting than a 25MPG ICE vehicle have been exposed.
With todays much cleaner ICE vehicles, people should have the freedom to drive what they want without penalty or fear of shame/retribution.

Not all freedoms are good. Hopefully your prayers for this country includes the cessation of immoral wars and the cessation of the freedom for women to murder their unborn babies.

I have never felt shame for buying an EV. I bought for convenience and flexibility to be able to charge at home not worry about maintenance items such oil changes that you would have to be concerned about with an ICE vehicle.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

Not all freedoms are good. Hopefully your prayers for this country includes the cessation of immoral wars and the cessation of the freedom for women to murder their unborn babies.

I have never felt shame for buying an EV. I bought for convenience and flexibility to be able to charge at home not worry about maintenance items such oil changes they you would have to be concerned about with an ICE vehicle.

Amen. Amen

 

[Williy]

I see that in congress they were talking about EV''s
the cost for an average EV $61K gas vehicle $45K
The maintenance cost of replacing a battery plus the
regular maintenance costs are way more that the oil
changes and transmisstion fluid change in 20 years
Look at what china did banned all gas powdered motor
bikes/cycles etc then the next thing they did is ban all
elecetric bikes/cycles. In congress the ones that think
ev's are great are made to look like fools because they
don't know all the FACTS!!!!

willy

 

[Snobdds]

Forced adoption and mandating a market...what could go wrong? We can't afford another 4 years of this...

Biden admin set to finalize major gas car crackdown over warnings from automakers, energy industry

The Biden administration is moving full steam ahead on regulations targeting gas-powered vehicles in its effort to electrify the transportation sector and combat global warming.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Snobdds]

Even links get sanitized...LOL.

Snipping FTW>

 

[tradosaurus]

Forced adoption and mandating a market...what could go wrong? We can't afford another 4 years of this...

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/**...down-warnings-from-automakers-energy-industry

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The swing states better get a hold of voter fraud because if they don't there will another 4 years of the same sheet.

 

[Richard001]

The swing states better get a hold of voter fraud because if they don't there will another 4 years of the same sheet.

The outlook for preventing voter fraud is not good. Here in MN land, the current, one party controlled House and Senate, plus the Governor, last year passed a law allowing illegals to get a driver's license that does not show their citizenship status.

In the past few years, when I go to vote, the person at the registration desk ask to see my drivers license. In the past, this pretty much guaranteed that you were a American citizen and are allowed to vote.

Now with the new rules for drivers license, the person at the voter registration desk has no idea if the person presenting the driver's license is a citizen who can legally vote or not.

The state SOS is also a member of the same political party and in a letter I sent to him asking how the registration clerks will know if the person with the driver's license is legally allowed to vote, in his letter back to me, he indicated that the system relied on the honor system, i.e. the illegal will know that he or she cannot legally vote.

Good luck with that.

 

[Hay Dude]

One seminal thing I remember in my past. About 10 years ago I was driving on a little country road past a small middle class home (you know, the kind of people who are forgotten, like me). Guy had a sign on his yard that said:

”IGNORE YOUR RIGHTS AND THEY WILL GO AWAY!!!”

Didn’t think much of it at the time. I was immersed in raising kids and working my arse off.
Now it seems so prolific.

 

[Hay Dude]

Maybe the ones sowing discord are the one proclaiming we will fail daily??

We are failing. Spectacularly, I might ad.
But here ya go. Let me know if this is “all good” for you.

Want more of this junk?

My in laws drink the current kool aid just like you. I had to laugh because they’re in their 80’s and just drove to my place from Florida and drove all the way back. About 2,000 miles.
Why, you ask?
BECAUSE AIR FARE WAS TOO EXPENSIVE FOR THEM !