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[jyoutz]

Maybe they are tired of the homeless people attacking them, the poop on the sidewalks, or the retail stores closing?

That sounds more like NYC or Chicago.

 

[Rdrcr]

^^^^
Sadly that’s an accurate description of SF.

Mike

 

[Hay Dude]

That sounds more like NYC or Chicago.

Watch the Newsome DeSanti$ debate sometime.

 

[Hay Dude]

Heard today that half of the US homeless population reside in California... maybe it's the weather?

Its the weather and the handouts. CA s the most homeless-friendly state in the country.

 

[jyoutz]

Watch the Newsome DeSanti$ debate sometime.

CA is a huge state. No doubt that there are disgusting areas in some cities. I’ve also seen lots of immaculate areas and gorgeous countryside. I’ve seen disgusting areas in many large cities around the country, but NYC is kind of perceived as all being disgusting.

 

[Hay Dude]

CA is a huge state. No doubt that there are disgusting areas in some cities. I’ve also seen lots of immaculate areas and gorgeous countryside. I’ve seen disgusting areas in many large cities around the country, but NYC is kind of perceived as all being disgusting.

San Fran was a beautiful city, but has become a disgrace. Even has cell phone alerts to let you know where human excrement is

 

[jyoutz]

San Fran was a beautiful city, but has become a disgrace. Even has cell phone alerts to let you know where human excrement is

No doubt, but you are also describing many large cities in America. I saw the same last year in Baltimore and Austin, TX. And I’m currently in Phoenix for my wife’s medical visit. Some beautiful areas downtown and one block away, homeless camps, and crap in the street. When the mental institutions were closed that created a huge homeless problem in the country.

 

[Hay Dude]

No doubt, but you are also describing many large cities in America. I saw the same last year in Baltimore and Austin, TX. And I’m currently in Phoenix for my wife’s medical visit. Some beautiful areas downtown and one block away, homeless camps, and crap in the street. When the mental institutions were closed that created a huge homeless problem in the country.

Its drug addiction now.
The moral decay of this country has been greatly assisted by the liberal laws on drugs.

The country‘s cities are ruined.
The burbs aint far behind.

 

[jyoutz]

Its drug addiction now.
The moral decay of this country has been greatly assisted by the liberal laws on drugs.

The country‘s cities are ruined.
The burbs aint far behind.

Yes, drug abuse, but mental health issues and drug and alcohol abuse often go hand in hand.

 

[Hay Dude]

My friend is a pastor. He goes right into the belly of the beast in Philly & Wilmington. He tells me stories that would leave you speechless.
It’s drugs.

 

[jyoutz]

My friend is a pastor. He goes right into the belly of the beast in Philly & Wilmington. He tells me stories that would leave you speechless.
It’s drugs.

No argument. But most drug abusers also have mental health issues that caused them to turn to drugs or alcohol.

 

[two_bit_score]

In 1914 they just came here, no immigration permissions required, so yes today they would be considered as illegal immigrants.

They can’t be considered illegals (as much as I hate to bust your bubble) if there was no law barring them from entering. Your ancestors were no more illegal in 1914 than mine were when they came from England, Ireland and France before the American Revolution.

Sorry but seems yours were just like mine. Common legal immigrants. So you should stop the pretense of them being “illegal immigrants” as you evidently think there is some valor attached to entering the country “illegally”.

 

[two_bit_score]

Come on, man. By that definition, almost everyone would be illegal. The law didn't change until 1921 that would have any effect on immigration from Slovakia. Birthright citizenship applied because your ancestor was here legally. That is not the issue with anchor babies. Those are just a gross misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment. "And subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means that people who are still subjects of another nation (such as travelers, diplomats or illegal aliens) are excluded from birthright citizenship.

Of course, @jyoutz is basically making up a claim that his ancestors were illegals. Maybe it’s to gain some points on the next civil service exam or something.

 

[aesanders]

They can’t be considered illegals (as much as I hate to bust your bubble) if there was no law barring them from entering. Your ancestors were no more illegal in 1914 than mine were when they came from England, Ireland and France before the American Revolution.

Sorry but seems yours were just like mine. Common legal immigrants. So you should stop the pretense of them being “illegal immigrants” as you evidently think there is some valor attached to entering the country “illegally”.

Of course, @jyoutz is basically making up a claim that his ancestors were illegals. Maybe it’s to gain some points on the next civil service exam or something.

Classic Dim attitude. Ignore laws you disagree with, and invent stories that support your agenda.

 

[ultrarunner]

Cities have problems and my rural friends have problems where someone always needs to be around.

Maybe the future is gate enclaves with tightly controlled access... I hope not but it is a possibility for clean and secure under the HOA thumb?

 

[Hay Dude]

Cities have problems and my rural friends have problems where someone always needs to be around.

Maybe the future is gate enclaves with tightly controlled access... I hope not but it is a possibility for clean and secure under the HOA thumb?

That’s already prevalent in Wilmington.
There’s lots of communities with guard gates.
During Covid, my private road committee had a typical neighborhood meeting.
I was kind of shocked when someone brought up the possibility of sharply increasing our HOA fees, installing gates with a key code for residents to keep riff-raff out.

 

[drumminj]

There’s a bit of exaggeration in that theory. I see lots of immigrants from poor countries regularly, legal and otherwise. They are the ones who show up every day to do the hard labor jobs. They make up the bulk of farm and ranch labor and they are the ones running chainsaws to do forest thinning, or swinging a hoedad planting trees in a wildfire area. And doing roofing, stucco work, and landscaping.

I know I'm pages behind here (so apologies if this is already covered -- I'll come back and edit), but while I don't dispute this I wonder whether a factor in this is the illegal immigrants can/will work illegal jobs -- meaning paid under the table, below minimum wage, not paying into FICA/unemployement insurance, etc.

The government has killed many jobs by making the roles too expensive to legally hire. Law-abiding employers and workers aren't willing to take the risk of getting caught working illegally and the job itself can't exist legally as the gov't mandaded cost is higher than the value.

 

[2manyrocks]

Many of the construction crews in Nashville are immigrants, and I suspect it has to do with them actually showing up and getting the work done every day.

 

[jyoutz]

I know I'm pages behind here (so apologies if this is already covered -- I'll come back and edit), but while I don't dispute this I wonder whether a factor in this is the illegal immigrants can/will work illegal jobs -- meaning paid under the table, below minimum wage, not paying into FICA/unemployement insurance, etc.

The government has killed many jobs by making the roles too expensive to legally hire. Law-abiding employers and workers aren't willing to take the risk of getting caught working illegally and the job itself can't exist legally as the gov't mandaded cost is higher than the value.

Several years ago my son got a temporary job at a plant nursery that grows garden starts. It is a big operation of a nationally recognized company. They couldn’t find enough local help interested in the fast paced backbreaking work of filling pots with soil and planting seeds on a conveyor belt system. They started the work of loading the greenhouses and the manager tried to get green carded Mexican workers. They finally were able to get the workers legally and it helped them meet their schedule, but it took several weeks. The legal system for guest workers needs to be fixed. In the 1970s, there was an orderly process called the Bracero program that farms used and it was successful and efficient. They made their labor requests months ahead and the workers were approved, screened and on the job according to schedule. This program was discontinued by Congress for whatever reason and the temporary manual labor system has been in chaos and reliant on illegal workers since then.

 

[WM75Guy]

I know I'm pages behind here (so apologies if this is already covered -- I'll come back and edit), but while I don't dispute this I wonder whether a factor in this is the illegal immigrants can/will work illegal jobs -- meaning paid under the table, below minimum wage, not paying into FICA/unemployement insurance, etc.

The government has killed many jobs by making the roles too expensive to legally hire. Law-abiding employers and workers aren't willing to take the risk of getting caught working illegally and the job itself can't exist legally as the gov't mandaded cost is higher than the value.

This is not a new problem. Until the government goes after the employers and they start losing their businesses, plus going to jail for hiring illegal workers, nothing will change. For years Pappa's was running an extensive network to transport their illegal workers back and forth across the border. They had elaborate setups in the restaurants for employees to be notified in time to get into purpose built concealed places to hide when INS raids took place. In 1997, instead of prosecuting the principal owners and sending them to prison, the INS agreed to settle for a $1.75 million dollar fine. It was a drop in the bucket for the company's financial statement. I was friends at the time with many of the agents that worked the case. They were upset that their hard work went down the drain, just so the administration could make headlines about the largest fine ever in INS history.

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