Parking EVs indoors

[Too many Kubotas]

I have about 140 gallons of diesel stored in my garage, between three different vehicles.
Hasn't been a problem yet.

But I keep the lithium ion jumper pack in a steel cabinet. Just like the Milwaukee cordless tools, come to think of it.

 

[Comancheria]

So much about those electric cars are dangerous…especially the lies from the politicians, the media and the enviro liars who claim these are great for the environment.

I just hope I never collide with one of those those gigantic 1 ton batteries inside of a compact car that weighs as much as a full sized pickup truck while driving my gas sipping honda accord.

My neighbor or has one of those giant energizers in his garage and it has the most blinding headlights I’ve ever seen on a production vehicle.
His driveway is across the street from me and up hill a bit .
When he back into his garage at all hours of the night his headlights stay on and it looks like close encounters of the third kind coming through my blinds.
I took a video of it just to show him just how annoying it is when it wakes
Me up from a dead sleep.
He laughed and swore to never do it again.
Guess what……it seems to have motivated him to do it even more.

Nice guy.

 

[Grumpycat]

I just hope I never collide with one of those those gigantic 1 ton batteries inside of a compact car that weighs as much as a full sized pickup truck while driving my gas sipping honda accord.

Don't worry, will never happen.

There is no such thing as a compact EV with a 1 ton battery.

 

[3930dave]

Electric bus station fire could turn high-rise homes into ‘volcano’, residents warn

Approved By __________ doesn't mean much, if not enough people have died yet.

Rgds, D.

 

[3930dave]

Earlier fire (May 22), referenced in the link I just posted:

Eight fire crews battle inferno at Hertfordshire bus depot

Not many buses involved, massive fire. First fire-truck arrived in 4 minutes. Happened mid-afternoon, when plenty of people would have been around to notice the ignition.

Rgds, D.

 

[tradosaurus]

So much about those electric cars are dangerous…especially the lies from the politicians, the media and the enviro liars who claim these are great for the environment.

I just hope I never collide with one of those those gigantic 1 ton batteries inside of a compact car that weighs as much as a full sized pickup truck while driving my gas sipping honda accord.

My neighbor or has one of those giant energizers in his garage and it has the most blinding headlights I’ve ever seen on a production vehicle.
His driveway is across the street from me and up hill a bit .
When he back into his garage at all hours of the night his headlights stay on and it looks like close encounters of the third kind coming through my blinds.
I took a video of it just to show him just how annoying it is when it wakes
Me up from a dead sleep.
He laughed and swore to never do it again.
Guess what……it seems to have motivated him to do it even more.

Nice guy.

Hope I never collide with one of those gas bomb carrying vehicles.
EV's are safer than ICE vehicles. Change my mind.

 

[MAX-24-Dean]

Once again, the difference is that the lithium ion batteries do not require any air for combustion - that's why I compare it to a solid rocket booster, where there's fuel and oxidizer in one unit ready to burn until it's all gone.

That's why you can't put out the battery fires.

ALL flammable household chemicals, once lit, can be put out, given the right extinguisher.

The lithium ion batteries will probably burn in a vacuum.

Do you understand yet?

Lithium Ion batteries will burn in a vacuum, as they produce thier own O2 as they burn.
I have watched many flares ups in vacuum heat treat ovens that would not have occured if proper proceedures had been followed.
Even watched a vacuum pump catch on fire because someone bypassed the safety circuit to the heat sensor in the vacuum path.

 

[3930dave]

Lithium Ion batteries will burn in a vacuum, as they produce thier own O2 as they burn.

I'm sure you've noticed..... the Greek Chorus, singing the Demise of ICE, never address the positive fire-safety characteristics of diesel fuel....

Back to Regular BrainWashing.....

Rgds, D.

 

[NoTrespassing]

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -U.S. investigators on Thursday proposed $270,000 in fines for a General Motors and LG Energy Solution joint venture battery plant in Ohio for safety and health violations.

Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) investigators examining the cause of a March explosion and fire at the Ultium Cells plant prompted the agency to issue 19 safety and health violations, 17 of them serious.

MSN

 

[WM75Guy]

Watch a Tesla at the boat ramp towing a jet ski, it slips back into the water, and burns underwater. Starts a 1:55.

 

[3930dave]

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -U.S. investigators on Thursday proposed $270,000 in fines for a General Motors and LG Energy Solution joint venture battery plant in Ohio for safety and health violations.

Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) investigators examining the cause of a March explosion and fire at the Ultium Cells plant prompted the agency to issue 19 safety and health violations, 17 of them serious.

MSN

.... And, that's here ! Imagine what is going on at battery plants in PRC....

Rgds, D.

 

[3930dave]

Watch a Tesla at the boat ramp towing a jet ski, it slips back into the water, and burns underwater. Starts a 1:55.

Submerged, and still burning violently...... Nothing to See Here.... Back to Regular GreenWashing......

Rgds, D.

 

[MAX-24-Dean]

Submerged, and still burning violently...... Nothing to See Here.... Back to Regular GreenWashing......

Rgds, D.

Just don't get close, as the constant water helps generate gases more quickly. Tissue damage, or eye damage. And if you are close enough for that you could get lung damage. Not likey to happen, but there is a small probability it could.

Look up Hydrofluoric acid.

Why is a lithium fire worse than a regular fire? - CellBlock FCS

What exactly makes a lithium fire (or a lithium-ion battery fire) more dangerous than, well, a regular fire?

cellblockfcs.com

 

[3930dave]

Just don't get close, as the constant water helps generate gases more quickly. Tissue damage, or eye damage. And if you are close enough for that you could get lung damage. Not likey to happen, but there is a small probability it could.

Look up Hydrofluoric acid.

Why is a lithium fire worse than a regular fire? - CellBlock FCS

What exactly makes a lithium fire (or a lithium-ion battery fire) more dangerous than, well, a regular fire?

cellblockfcs.com

Good points. HF is NASTY stuff.

Before these vehicles arrive @ work, I'll be pushing for full SCBA gear. Not sure I'll stick around if we don't get it. Not trying to become a firefighter (we already have a retired one on staff), given how fast Li goes up, SCBA is needed just to evacuate a building, or when you are slowed-down getting an injured person out of danger.

Rgds, D.

 

[scootr]

Burning under water is quite impressive. Scary when the rules of firefighting change.

 

[3930dave]

Burning under water is quite impressive. Scary when the rules of firefighting change.

Esp. considering that many people struggle/fail when dealing with a "regular" fire....

I remember a teacher (Accounting ? it was a long time ago, and not a class I was in...) in HS getting bad burns to his arms. Grease fire in his kitchen @ home, and didn't smother it..... something like he was trying to pour it down the sink....

That's the kicker with Li, there's little/nothing even the Pros can do with it, you just have to let it burn and protect (if you can) the surrounding area.

Rgds, D.

 

[scootr]

Esp. considering that many people struggle/fail when dealing with a "regular" fire....

I remember a teacher (Accounting ? it was a long time ago, and not a class I was in...) in HS getting bad burns to his arms. Grease fire in his kitchen @ home, and didn't smother it..... something like he was trying to pour it down the sink....

That's the kicker with Li, there's little/nothing even the Pros can do with it, you just have to let it burn and protect (if you can) the surrounding area.

Rgds, D.

No amount of water puts it out. It has to burn out of fuel. Doesn't need oxygen and the burning lithium creates a metal fire at temperatures of 2,000 degrees Celsius/3632 degrees Fahrenheit. Attempting to douse the fire with water is inadvisable since this could lead to a hydrogen gas explosion!

 

[ponytug]

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Just don't get close, as the constant water helps generate gases more quickly. Tissue damage, or eye damage. And if you are close enough for that you could get lung damage. Not likey to happen, but there is a small probability it could.

Look up Hydrofluoric acid.

Why is a lithium fire worse than a regular fire? - CellBlock FCS

What exactly makes a lithium fire (or a lithium-ion battery fire) more dangerous than, well, a regular fire?

cellblockfcs.com

Yes, HF is bad, but you don't get significant amounts from thermal decomposition, but please correct me if I am wrong. If you have a source for significant amounts of HF being produced in a lithium (ion) battery thermal runaway, I would love to read it. I found exactly one paper making the claim that HF was produced. That claim was based on a misquote of an earlier paper that is explicit that HF is so reactive that it reacts with the cell materials rapidly and is not present in meaningful amounts. The battery type most likely to have significant amounts of fluoride is the one least likely to have thermal runaway events, an LFP battery (Lithium Ferro Phosphate, where the F is for ferrous, aka iron, not fluorine).

I'm not suggesting that you inhale the fumes, but I do think that a little perspective is warranted.

I think that we are all very accustomed to hydrocarbon fuels, and have become perhaps so familiar with them to the point where people get injured doing stupid things like refueling running equipment or putting gasoline on a fire, because we don't think of the risks.

I think that regardless of whether a vehicle has an internal combustion engine or a battery, both typically have at least enough energy to move the vehicle several hundred miles. That is a lot of energy.

All the best,

Peter

 

[3930dave]

NTSB vid, from 2 years ago.

Guessing, Standardized Disconnect location/identification still hasn't happened by now..... I'd like to be wrong.

Rgds, D.

 

[Grumpycat]

I've personally seen 2 RV trailers light themselves on fire while no one had been in them for days. Really eye opening how much toxic stuff is flammable. One was a refrigerator going up in smoke, the other I have no idea not much left but I would guess an overloaded outlet or bad connection at the outlet. All RVs use the crappiest outlet that make mobiles home wiring look wonderful.

Propane flame/ammonia cycle refrigerator.