Chinese knockoff saws?

[arto98607]

I wonder if those on here that like Chinese knock offs would like them if it was their own research, their own design, their own blood, sweat and tears that built, marketed and sold a product only to see some Chinese company copy the design and cut into or push them out of business. I bet not.

Okay we get it - sounds like you would like all Chinese and other chainsaw spare parts & equipment copiers either close down the shop, or at least not be able to sell anything in USA.

Do you want the same for all other OEM spare part manufacturers who are copying for example car spare parts - or is it just the chainsaws?

Or is it only the fact that they offer a 100% set of spare parts where customer can assemble a complete saw if they wish, or is it that you just don't like chicoms?


I on the other hand want to have some competition for the usually outrageously priced OEM spare parts, whether it's car parts, chainsaw parts or any other equipment we are using!

 

[ArlyA]

Okay we get it - sounds like you would like all Chinese and other chainsaw spare parts & equipment copiers either close down the shop, or at least not be able to sell anything in USA.

Do you want the same for all other OEM spare part manufacturers who are copying for example car spare parts - or is it just the chainsaws?

Or is it only the fact that they offer a 100% set of spare parts where customer can assemble a complete saw if they wish, or is it that you just don't like chicoms?


I on the other hand want to have some competition for the usually outrageously priced OEM spare parts, whether it's car parts, chainsaw parts or any other equipment we are using!

The auto industry releases some prints for certain parts like rotors and brakes for other to manufacture. Those saw copies saw coming out of china is not the case.

 

[ning]

I wonder if those on here that like Chinese knock offs would like them if it was their own research, their own design, their own blood, sweat and tears that built, marketed and sold a product only to see some Chinese company copy the design and cut into or push them out of business. I bet not.

I'm sympathetic to those whose IP ("intellectual property") was reverse-engineered and stolen, definitely.

I definitely prefer to buy the brand name and reward innovation; I'm unlikely to buy a clone, not the least because I have enough money that I can afford to pay up front for a hoped-for higher quality that will reduce my down time, because any time I've got away from my job that I can do "me stuff" I don't want to be screwing around with poorly running equipment.

I am not sympathetic, however, to the companies who shipped blueprints/schematics/manufacturing&jobs to China despite knowing that they as a normal course of their business have always copied what they are supposed to be making for their clients.

Any manufacturer doing business there since the 80's knows what's going to happen if they have chinaInc build stuff for them. They know that their stuff will be copied. I have no idea how they think they're going to stay ahead by doing this.

It's also not my job to hold their hand while they continue to screw themselves.

If Stihl and friends want to build and sell (their own) quality products, they need to make sure that whoever builds it - hopefully themselves, but possibly contract partners - respects IP.

If they practically give away their IP, they shouldn't be surprised if people buy a copy at a significant discount.

 

[Eagle1]

Stihl has 2 manufacturing plants in China....
You also have the OC impact. A good company has tight QC protocols and reject batches with a too high defect rate. Let's say 10% defect. The batch is rejected and then sold at auction (or however) and the product goes to the secondary market. Now 90% of those are just as good as OEM, a good sellers replaces the 10% no questions asks and still makes a killing selling at less than 50% of OEM.
THAT is one reason why the Ebay and Amazon stuff is hit or miss. You may get the EXACT oem part.

 

[goeduck]

Okay we get it - sounds like you would like all Chinese and other chainsaw spare parts & equipment copiers either close down the shop, or at least not be able to sell anything in USA.

Do you want the same for all other OEM spare part manufacturers who are copying for example car spare parts - or is it just the chainsaws?

Or is it only the fact that they offer a 100% set of spare parts where customer can assemble a complete saw if they wish, or is it that you just don't like chicoms?


I on the other hand want to have some competition for the usually outrageously priced OEM spare parts, whether it's car parts, chainsaw parts or any other equipment we are using!

I was not referring to spare/replacement "parts".

 

[xyz123]

Still laughing. Wont even talk about when I was stationed in Turkey in middle of desert.

Go into town 20km away and you would see brand new 57 64 chevys with diesel engines in the early 80's.

Patents run out and things are free to made.

You folks keep on believing what you want.

 

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Still laughing. Wont even talk about when I was stationed in Turkey in middle of desert.

Go into town 20km away and you would see brand new 57 64 chevys with diesel engines in the early 80's.

Patents run out and things are free to made.

You folks keep on believing what you want.

Definitely true about patents running out, but that only matters if they care about legal niceties.
Many things they copy are under patent and/or trademark with little consequence; fly-by-night importers are set up and by the time you file suit against them, they close up shop and open a new one.

 

[stevem5215]

So I bought one of these 72's today on Whatnot (the auction site) for $43. I've been following the chainsaw threads for a while and have been seeing these on Whatnot for some time on and off. This is the cheapest I've ever seen it and had to buy one just to see what I thought of it.

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[5030]

Think I said I bought a Neo-Tech a while ago and it was a POS and I gave it away to someone I didn't particularly like. I'll stick with my Echo's and Stihl's.

Like everything in life, you get what you pay for.

 

[5030]

I might add that don't apply to Stihl saws, they are overpriced in general.

 

[stevem5215]

Yep it was mentioned. I do wonder what it'll be like when I get it next week. Also, would sending it to someone like XYZ be a good idea to go over it and make it worthwhile ? Just a thought.

 

[5030]

I see no logic in that at all. Why would you buy a cheap Chinese chainsaw and then send it to a guy like XYZ to have him go over it (and charge you), I don't get that at all, when you could buy an Echo or a Husky or a Stihl for a bit more money and not have to fiddle with it and no matter if he fiddles with it and charges you, you still have a cheap Chinese chainsaw..

Makes no sense to me. Please explain your logic in that.

Like I stated, bought one on a lark and gave it away. It may be different now as I did that a couple years ago but cheap is cheap and you always get what you pay for.

Good luck.

 

[xyz123]

IMO not worth 3hrs one way driving and not worth shipping. Those 380 038 clones are not in my wheel house anyway and I read alot of issues with those.

IMO I would have spent the extra on a G372xp clone when they were $89 recently for OE ones plus shipping.

 

[CliffordK]

I had to laugh when I saw this in a local pawn shop.

For something you need a large saw for a short term project, a Chinese import may make sense. Although that could be bouncing around your garage for decades. Or you could purchase a used saw that could be a bit of a gamble whether it will even start.

I've been moving towards electric saws for quite some time. And, I'm quite happy with my new 60V Greenworks and 82V Greenworks 20" electric saws. I'm waiting for the Greenworks 24" HOG saw to come out, perhaps this fall.

Most of what cut is pretty small, but this thing rips through wood like a hot knife through butter, and doesn't balk at larger stuff either. This is the 82V model, the 60V model is similar enough that it is a much better deal.

As the battery electric saws come to market, we'll likely see quite a shake up of the traditional saw market.

Stihl has a very nice, and very expensive line of electrics, but I don't think they're better than other brands.

 

[stevem5215]

Thanks all for the advise. I figured that for the $44 bucks I have into it now I'll find out how it goes. I've tinkered with a ton of old saws my dad owned over the decades. Some of those I thought were big piles of heavy junk. This one might just be the same.

As for the "why did you buy that". Mostly just because like all of you I like to tinker with stuff. Mostly electro mechanical stuff with an emphasis on electrical side usually.

 

[Hay Dude]

I wonder if those on here that like Chinese knock offs would like them if it was their own research, their own design, their own blood, sweat and tears that built, marketed and sold a product only to see some Chinese company copy the design and cut into or push them out of business. I bet not.

If you think that’s bad (and I do, too) wait until you see the cloned Chinese nuclear reactors that are coming out. lol

I bet they’re 99% as safe as the reactors GE or Westinghouse spent billion on researching & designing.

Now the chinese have all the design patents.

Don’t worry, it’ll be fine.

 

[Hay Dude]

I don’t doubt the Chinese can make a fine saw for less than the big brand names, but it’s doing business with someone who has lab leaks, steals patents and threatens other countries with hostile takeovers that has me pumping the brakes on buying their stuff.

But hey, my John Deere CX-15 with it’s Chinese made 260HP gearboxes runs great.

 

[Eagle1]

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[xyz123]

G888 copy of Gen 2 MS880 next to a Homelite 2000 I sold to collector friend.

Just to show my tag on it for kicks years back.

Also did one with - redneck saw that has been dicked with - on one I owned.

 

[xyz123]

Most folks forget stihl makes parts in China factory for 20 years or so.

Patents run out and stuff is sold off. How you think they copy the older saws.

Where you think those parts come from when it says made from domestic and foreign parts in your stuff. Heck even the pro saws have the China made parts in them.

Check into it sometime. Used to see new chevys in 57's and 64's in Turkey when lived there in mid 80's.