Truck & Trailer ideas to tow 14,000 and be under 26,000 pounds

[Hay Dude]

I'm not really sure how folks make any money buying the latest and greatest equipment. I got into haying about 1.5 years ago and except for the tractor I spent 8500 on a swather, baler and a pull stackwagon and it includes the cost to make them all work properly doing the repairs myself. If I were to buy at current prices I'm looking at almost 15k a year in hay that I need for my own use, any excess I sell. But no, even with everything paid off I do not make money on haying but I do save by doing it. I'm able to grow my herds which is where someday I hope to start paying off the investment I've made in this whole boondoggle. But, I love the lifestyle....
When I registered my vehicles in Idaho I was given the choice on weight ratings and what I paid. Found that odd but my F-150 has a tow rating of 11900, but they would let you register it for under 8k if you "didn't plan on towing more than that". And, I could register it for over the rated if I wanted. Odd compared to what I was used too. Same went for my trailers (not for over weight) but I've been swapping them out based on need. I hire to move the big boy around which is very rare as if I need to move equipment I flag and light up and hit the road, after all I'm rural and if a tractor on the road bugs you, go back to the city. Farthest I've run on the roads so far has been about 20 miles each way. Needed to help a new friend cut their field after an equipment failure on their end.

I’m talking about for full time farming, like myself.
On edit: even then, I’m not buying any new tractors, but some new attachments.

 

[dodge man]

Nope municipalities are exempt from the requirements while being used for official use.

I’d like to see that in writing. I just looked again. I could drive his plow truck if the township road superintendent declared a “snow emergency” but that’s the only exclusion I could find. I’m pretty sure either of the two dump trucks are rated over 26,000 pounds and they have air brakes.

 

[4570Man]

I’d like to see that in writing. I just looked again. I could drive his plow truck if the township road superintendent declared a “snow emergency” but that’s the only exclusion I could find. I’m pretty sure either of the two dump trucks are rated over 26,000 pounds and they have air brakes.

The military has its own license requirements but the local governments don’t have the same privilege. City employees have to have the correct license for what they’re driving.

 

[RandyT]

I’d like to see that in writing. I just looked again. I could drive his plow truck if the township road superintendent declared a “snow emergency” but that’s the only exclusion I could find. I’m pretty sure either of the two dump trucks are rated over 26,000 pounds and they have air brakes.

You seem to be correct. Didn't use to be the case.

 

[Fixastuff]

They don't want the liability. And there is no definitive answer either.

Your average 14k bumper pull trailer probably weighs 3000#....and a well balance load can probably have 2k tongue weight

In theory that allows an actual payload of ~13k

Now if the trailer mfg states that.....

And some jackwagon double stacks pallets of bricks as far forward as possible on the trailer....they are probably overloading both the truck, hitch, and front axle. And they don't want to assume the liability because they told you the payload is 13k.

Even so.... Some trailers DO list it. They give you a tire information sticker similar to trucks that says something like "max cargo and payload shal not exceed......" Which is usually just the sum of the axles minus the tare weight of the trailer. But technically you can legally haul more if you account for tongue weight

Thanks I've never thought about tongue weight being taken off the trailer. I've always just taken trailer max weight subtracted actual weight of trailer and that's the most I'll load in it.

 

[dodge man]

Don’t quote me on this but someone posted their trailers sticker a while back. Say it had two 7000 pound axles, but the gross weight was something like 15,500 pounds, assuming 1500 pounds of tongue weight isn’t on the axles.

 

[stumblinhorse]

Don’t quote me on this but someone posted their trailers sticker a while back. Say it had two 7000 pound axles, but the gross weight was something like 15,500 pounds, assuming 1500 pounds of tongue weight isn’t on the axles.

Like this

 

[dodge man]

Yeah, like that.

 

[Hay Dude]

Don’t quote me on this but someone posted their trailers sticker a while back. Say it had two 7000 pound axles, but the gross weight was something like 15,500 pounds, assuming 1500 pounds of tongue weight isn’t on the axles.

Totally understandable.
My Kaufman has (2) 16,000lb axles, but is rated for 38,400lbs.
They take the 2) 16K axles, which adds up to 32,000lbs and add 20% tongue weight (6,400lbs) and total it at 38,400lbs.

You just need a truck with a rear axle capable of 6,400lb rear axle weigh (plus the ambient weight already there)

 

[stumblinhorse]

Totally understandable.
My Kaufman has (2) 16,000lb axles, but is rated for 38,400lbs.
They take the 2) 16K axles, which adds up to 32,000lbs and add 20% tongue weight (6,400lbs) and total it at 38,400lbs.

You just need a truck with a rear axle capable of 6,400lb rear axle weigh (plus the ambient weight already there)

20% tongue is a lot. And 6400 is really a lot. I only get 12.5% added to GVWR on my Barbie trailer