Choice: food or solar fields

[Hay Dude]

Nice try at a spin, but my post was in regards to is solar or farming more detrimental to the environment. Nothing to do with food production, just pollution.

How much pollution and oil does it take to manufacture solar panels?

How much diesel fuel is consumed and air pollution do huge ocean-going freighters make shipping them 5,000 miles across the ocean from China to the US?

If you think solar panels are some kind of free lunch or panacea, you have your head DEEP in the sand. It takes billions of gallons of OIL to make the plastics and billions more gallons of OIL to ship them here.

So would you rather use billions of gallons of oil to import chinese solar panels? Or extract trapped gas from our own country, using FAR less oil and burn it cleantly as possible HERE in the US?

 

[Hay Dude]

Flunked economics? Supply and demand matter.

I think you flunked common sense. There’s NO shortage of oil.
There was no oil shortage in the late 70’s oil “shortage”, either.

 

[jyoutz]

I think you flunked common sense. There’s NO shortage of oil.
There was no oil shortage in the late 70’s oil “shortage”, either.

Global diesel shortage pushes oil prices higher

Worsening diesel shortages in the United States and the rest of the world are intensifying upward pressure on petroleum prices and threaten to recreate the conditions that led to the record price spike in 2008.

www.reuters.com

 

[jyoutz]

I think you flunked common sense. There’s NO shortage of oil.
There was no oil shortage in the late 70’s oil “shortage”, either.

There is a shortage of refined products in the US, and oil worldwide.

This Week in Petroleum - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

Gasoline Production, Imports, Stocks, Supply, Prices by Grade and Sales Type, Retail City Average Prices, Data and Analysis from the Energy Information Administration.

www.eia.gov

 

[Hay Dude]

Theres a temporary shortage above ground, mostly because of government restrictions and anti-fossil fuel policies & rhetoric.
There’s abundant supplies of fossil fuels in the ground. Getting them out of the ground and refined takes a cooperative regulatory body. We do not have that in the current administration.
What we DO have is unfriendly policies towards extracting, pipelining, refining & storing of fossil fuels.

 

[jyoutz]

Theres a temporary shortage above ground, mostly because of government restrictions and anti-fossil fuel policies & rhetoric.
There’s abundant supplies of fossil fuels in the ground. Getting them out of the ground and refined takes a cooperative regulatory body. We do not have that in the current administration.

You can spin politics all you want, but 2022 will tie the 2019 record for barrels per day removed from the ground, and 2023 will exceed that amount, based on what producers are reporting. Facts are facts.

Short-Term Energy Outlook - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

 

[Fuddy1952]

IMHO you have to look at the big picture. The way I see it things tie together. It's not as simple as big companies raise prices because they can.
Ask the average person on the street "are you better off today than you were, say, 3 years ago". Of course they would say no.
Now I'm a conservative republican. Having said that I vote for the person, not the party.
Trump wasn't perfect. I have friends on the left who say he was mean, a racist (not), a braggart (yes), egotistical (yes), etc., but look at things now: printing money like crazy, inflation out of control, open borders (that's insane!), a weak incompetent president, supply issues, homeless, the list goes on.
The Green New Deal, we were in the process of lowering emissions, but you can't flip a switch fixing a problem. We're on one planet so everyone, all countries have to be on board.
Electric vehicles are fantastic! Yes, for certain applications they're great...but choices, give all people choices what suits them the best. We have our own oil reserves and should continue the pipeline project.
Baby steps. Everything takes planning, thought, and prioritization. Who cares about a more energy efficient clothes washer when your roofs leaking?
I want a strong president whether red or blue who has citizens best interest at heart. We're heading towards a recession or depression otherwise. I hope it's not too late.

 

[Hay Dude]

You can spin politics all you want, but 2022 will tie the 2019 record for barrels per day removed from the ground, and 2023 will exceed that amount, based on what producers are reporting. Facts are facts.

Short-Term Energy Outlook - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

so now you’re talking out of both sides of your head again. You say there’s a shortage, then you say we’re producing more now than ever?
Whew!
I know the real answer, you’re just spewing conflicting information. Theres no “political spin”. Theres a war on fossil fuels.

 

[Hay Dude]

IMHO you have to look at the big picture. The way I see it things tie together. It's not as simple as big companies raise prices because they can.
Ask the average person on the street "are you better off today than you were, say, 3 years ago". Of course they would say no.
Now I'm a conservative republican. Having said that I vote for the person, not the party.
Trump wasn't perfect. I have friends on the left who say he was mean, a racist (not), a braggart (yes), egotistical (yes), etc., but look at things now: printing money like crazy, inflation out of control, open borders (that's insane!), a weak incompetent president, supply issues, homeless, the list goes on.
The Green New Deal, we were in the process of lowering emissions, but you can't flip a switch fixing a problem. We're on one planet so everyone, all countries have to be on board.
Electric vehicles are fantastic! Yes, for certain applications they're great...but choices, give all people choices what suits them the best. We have our own oil reserves and should continue the pipeline project.
Baby steps. Everything takes planning, thought, and prioritization. Who cares about a more energy efficient clothes washer when your roofs leaking?
I want a strong president whether red or blue who has citizens best interest at heart. We're heading towards a recession or depression otherwise. I hope it's not too late.

Best to ignore the person and vote for the person with the best policies

 

[Fuddy1952]

so now you’re talking out of both sides of your head again. You say there’s a shortage, then you say we’re producing more now than ever?
Whew!
I know the real answer, you’re just spewing conflicting information. Theres no “political spin”. Theres a war on fossil fuels.

^^^yes^^^Theres a war on fossil fuels.

 

[Fuddy1952]

Best to ignore the person and vote for the person with the best policies

"I want a strong president whether red or blue who has citizens best interest at heart."

 

[Hay Dude]

^^^yes^^^Theres a war on fossil fuels.

yep…read some of the stuff being discussed in Davos. you’d have to be quite obtuse to not realize theres a reason fossil fuel prices have doubled since the aggressive anti-fossil fuel policies began about 1.5 years ago.

 

[jyoutz]

so now you’re talking out of both sides of your head again. You say there’s a shortage, then you say we’re producing more now than ever?
Whew!
I know the real answer, you’re just spewing conflicting information. Theres no “political spin”. Theres a war on fossil fuels.

You don’t seem to be able to comprehend what I posted. The US is extracting record amounts of oil from the ground. But worldwide there is a shortage. There is a difference between US production and worldwide production. Russian oil accounted for 30% of Europe’s oil, now there’s a shortage. Not a hard concept to understand; except when it conflicts with your political perspectives.

 

[Hay Dude]

The rolling blackouts this summer will prove how poorly we do on solar panels & windmills covering farm fields and the closing of dependable fossil fuel power stations.

 

[Jstpssng]

Russia sells us very little oil.
The loss of their imports cannot possibly explain anything but a fraction of the 150% increase in gas prices.

I didn't say they did. However, they were suppliers to some of the countries which now have the country on their "less desirable" list.

 

[Jstpssng]

I want a strong president whether red or blue who has citizens best interest at heart.

So do I. Unfortunately neither party seems able to produce one.

 

[Torvy]

You don’t seem to be able to comprehend what I posted. The US is extracting record amounts of oil from the ground. But worldwide there is a shortage. There is a difference between US production and worldwide production. Russian oil accounted for 30% of Europe’s oil, now there’s a shortage. Not a hard concept to understand; except when it conflicts with your political perspectives.

Except the problem was already bad and getting worse long before Russia invaded Ukraine.

 

[jyoutz]

Except the problem was already bad and getting worse long before Russia invaded Ukraine.

Yes. But the problem isn’t that oil isn’t being pumped from the ground. Refinery issues, inflation issues, lots of things are creating high prices, including worldwide shortage. The only point I have been repeating is that the US is producing crude oil at record levels. Other factors are creating the price increases.

 

[jyoutz]

The rolling blackouts this summer will prove how poorly we do on solar panels & windmills covering farm fields and the closing of dependable fossil fuel power stations.

I’m sure that you’re rooting for that to happen. We have never experienced a rolling blackout in my state even with 36% of power from renewables. The only blackouts we ever experienced in the past 20 years were due to weather events such as snow storms, wind storms, tornadoes, substations failing…. Those rolling blackouts always seem to happen in the same places, indicating those areas have other issues with their power grid.

 

[MossRoad]

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I don't believe the oil companies are raising prices because they can...do you?
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Absolutely!