Would You Loan It Out?

   / Would You Loan It Out? #171  
You've already made two mistakes. You did work for him and let him stiff you for the payment. Then you lent him the equipment he still owes you $50 for. And you are now liable if he sticks his hand under it, and you are out the money if he never returns it or returns it damaged.

My father taught me that you cannot loan money; you are giving it away and hoping it comes back. Tools are the same.
 
   / Would You Loan It Out? #172  
Seems like you gave him an opportunity to discuss the issue and ask how you felt about what he was about to do. However, he did not want to discuss it - I would have told him that the tiller was not the right size to operate with the tractor. Then, No way.
 
   / Would You Loan It Out? #173  
oh I saw that.
does not mitigate the idiocy of loaning a pto item to someone with a tractor not EXACTLY the same as his.
way too many people (you??) think any class of pto stuff with any pto length can fit onany tractor.
Haha. I might loan the equipment, but not the PTO shaft? Incorrect length PTO shafts are bad news, indeed. The only bit of karma might have been if the neighbor lifted the tiller for the first time and blew his PTO shaft seal into the tractor's transmission, LOL.

I just think it's pretty awful for everyone to keep calling the OP an idiot because he tried to be nice, or wasn't certain enough to refuse a demand in the moment. He was humble enough to come here and tell us the story, and seek advice. No need to keep kicking the dead horse, y'all.

It is a good lesson for others, though.
 
   / Would You Loan It Out? #174  
Appears she is the brains of the operation...

CT
There are people put on this earth that are taken advantage of and there are two or more to take advantage of each one of them. You have to decide whether you are a taker or a giver or you will be just a bystander watching it happen.
 
   / Would You Loan It Out? #175  
BTW I would never lend a tool that could hurt someone, even to a good friend.

A very good friend asked to borrow my log splitter. I said NO, but I will come over and operate it as you feed me the logs. Same for my chainsaw.

And I have a friend with a small 4' tiller for his BX25. While I would love to use it I would never asked.
 
   / Would You Loan It Out? #176  
There are people put on this earth that are taken advantage of and there are two or more to take advantage of each one of them. You have to decide whether you are a taker or a giver or you will be just a bystander watching it happen.
I am neither a taker nor a giver; but I will help a friend in need. But my time of servitude is over so I no longer feel the need to help everyone who need help.
 
   / Would You Loan It Out? #177  
A neighbor who lives down the road from me, a neighbor who I've only met once or twice, finds out that I have a tiller. I have a Woods RT72.40 6ft tiller. Last spring, he "hired" me to till his garden plot, about a half acre. And by hired, I mean, I drove down the road about 10 minutes, tilled up the sod where he had marked, and drove home unpaid. He suddenly had to leave and never did pay the agreed amount of $50, which, in my opinion, was a steal. I really didn't care about the money, and didn't push for it.

This last weekend he calls me, first time I've spoken to him all year. He asked to borrow the tiller and informed me that he has recently purchased a new tractor.

Being the nice and helpful person I am, and realizing that this wont take much of my time, I reluctantly agreed. The tiller has been sitting all winter, so I brought it up to the shop, checked the gear oil, greased it, and slipped the slip clutch. I checked it all over for damage and set it next to my garage for an easy hook up to his tractor. He shows up in a small Branson 2400 21 HP at the PTO.... and backs up to my 6 foot wide tiller. Upon learning that his new tractor is only 24 engine HP, I advised that his tractor is simply not enough. I offered to use my tractor. He scoffed and said that he knows what he is doing, and he cannot afford my high prices! I left him to his work of hooking up to my tiller, hoping, at this point, that his 3 point wouldn't even lift it. But it did and he drove down the road.

He sends me a text message that afternoon: He said that the tiller worked very well. He was able to till at "15-1800 RPM, 1/1," and he needs to borrow it a bit longer. I needed clarification. Why so low of RPM? What is 1/1? Why does he need it longer?

Apparently, he is running as slow as the tractor could go: first gear, first range (1/1), and had to slow the RPM of the engine down to move slow enough across the ground, to do a good job. He needs it longer because he has decided to not only do the garden, but expand his garden, and also put in a big back yard.

My wife called me an idiot. Am I too nice? Too helpful? Would you have loaned your tiller (or other attachment) out to someone like this? He still has it, and I haven't heard anything back. I drove by his house this morning and I saw his garden is bigger, all tilled up, but couldn't see his back yard.

What kind of damage could I expect on my tiller of running it at low RPM on virgin soil? Its gear driven, so I assume the gears are taking a beating?
I’d have been down there in a heart beat…. What’s a 6’ tiller cost these days?
 
   / Would You Loan It Out? #178  
A neighbor who lives down the road from me, a neighbor who I've only met once or twice, finds out that I have a tiller. I have a Woods RT72.40 6ft tiller. Last spring, he "hired" me to till his garden plot, about a half acre. And by hired, I mean, I drove down the road about 10 minutes, tilled up the sod where he had marked, and drove home unpaid. He suddenly had to leave and never did pay the agreed amount of $50, which, in my opinion, was a steal. I really didn't care about the money, and didn't push for it.

This last weekend he calls me, first time I've spoken to him all year. He asked to borrow the tiller and informed me that he has recently purchased a new tractor.

Being the nice and helpful person I am, and realizing that this wont take much of my time, I reluctantly agreed. The tiller has been sitting all winter, so I brought it up to the shop, checked the gear oil, greased it, and slipped the slip clutch. I checked it all over for damage and set it next to my garage for an easy hook up to his tractor. He shows up in a small Branson 2400 21 HP at the PTO.... and backs up to my 6 foot wide tiller. Upon learning that his new tractor is only 24 engine HP, I advised that his tractor is simply not enough. I offered to use my tractor. He scoffed and said that he knows what he is doing, and he cannot afford my high prices! I left him to his work of hooking up to my tiller, hoping, at this point, that his 3 point wouldn't even lift it. But it did and he drove down the road.

He sends me a text message that afternoon: He said that the tiller worked very well. He was able to till at "15-1800 RPM, 1/1," and he needs to borrow it a bit longer. I needed clarification. Why so low of RPM? What is 1/1? Why does he need it longer?

Apparently, he is running as slow as the tractor could go: first gear, first range (1/1), and had to slow the RPM of the engine down to move slow enough across the ground, to do a good job. He needs it longer because he has decided to not only do the garden, but expand his garden, and also put in a big back yard.

My wife called me an idiot. Am I too nice? Too helpful? Would you have loaned your tiller (or other attachment) out to someone like this? He still has it, and I haven't heard anything back. I drove by his house this morning and I saw his garden is bigger, all tilled up, but couldn't see his back yard.

What kind of damage could I expect on my tiller of running it at low RPM on virgin soil? Its gear driven, so I assume the gears are taking a beating?
I'm afraid I'll have to jump on the bandwagon and say no as well. I actually don't think he'll hurt the tiller just by running it at a low rpm, but he sounds like he doesn't have a clue what he's doing. And if he stiffed you on the first deal, he probably has no respect for your equipment. Go get it ASAP.
 
   / Would You Loan It Out? #179  
I had a brother-in- law would go to an auction with me and openly say, "You buy it, I'll borrow it!" When I realized he was serious I parted company.

I have seen him one time in 35 years!
 
   / Would You Loan It Out? #180  
Haha. I might loan the equipment, but not the PTO shaft? Incorrect length PTO shafts are bad news, indeed. The only bit of karma might have been if the neighbor lifted the tiller for the first time and blew his PTO shaft seal into the tractor's transmission, LOL.

I just think it's pretty awful for everyone to keep calling the OP an idiot because he tried to be nice, or wasn't certain enough to refuse a demand in the moment. He was humble enough to come here and tell us the story, and seek advice. No need to keep kicking the dead horse, y'all.

It is a good lesson for others, though.
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me! His wife can count and arithmetic isn't his strong part. He should take his wife's comment more seriously. When someone wants to borrow something he can always say he can't because his wife would raise hell if he loaned that out. Some of his freeloading friends might label him as "***** whipped" but he lays beside his wife every night and his $2000.00 tiller would look new under the barn shelter.
 

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