Fence Line App for my phone?

[airbiscuit]

Very good description. Should be easy, but isn't.

 

[John_Mc]

I was hoping that a GPS program existed that I could draw a straight line between pins on my phone and then figure out where the line is by walking between the pins.

Any of the apps can do this. The problem is that the unassisted consumer GPS is not accurate enough to do this to mark a property line. There are systems which can correct the GPS signal, but they are expensive.

 

[JDZ735M]

Figuring out where the fence post will go in the purple circle is my goal. If I go into my neighbors land, I'm going to be on the Gas Pipeline Right of Way. If I go into my land, I'm giving up my land. A foot doesn't matter too much, but several feet makes me uncomfortable.

You aren't really giving up any ownership rights by putting up a fence. A lot of people wit rural property designate the fence with signs stating "Fence does not indicate property line" or some such language. As long as you and your neighbor understand that it's cool.

 

[ponytug]

Since you only care about the NE border, and if the pipeline is a known offset from your property line, could you rent a magnetometer, sweep to find the pipeline, and measure 25' SW to get to where you want to be? Magnetometers are pretty cheap to rent here.

All the best,

Peter

 

[EddieWalker]

Since you only care about the NE border, and if the pipeline is a known offset from your property line, could you rent a magnetometer, sweep to find the pipeline, and measure 25' SW to get to where you want to be? Magnetometers are pretty cheap to rent here.

All the best,

Peter

I'm embarrassed to admit that I never thought of that. I wonder if a metal detector would work?

I did think about calling 811, the Before you Dig Number, and having them come out. But I would be lying to them because the pipe isn't on my land and I'm not going to dig anywhere near the pipe. But then again, I am going to be working near it and it might be wise to have them mark it.

 

[California]

Magnetometers are pretty cheap to rent here.
Peter

Yeah, there. North of SF, not so much. The only hit on 'pipe locator' at my nearest rental yard lacks a description. And costs $150/day.

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[California]

I did think about calling 811, the Before you Dig Number, and having them come out.

They might mark it for you, they might not.

Dad had paid PGE to extend the gas line 300 ft from the new meter at the property line, to the house. When I wanted to dig and install new water mains here 50 years later, I asked if PGE would mark the gas line for me. Nope. They told me anything beyond the meter was my problem. And they didn't keep any blueprints showing where they put the gas pipe.

I hope you get a better response!

 

[ponytug]

I think that is a little deep for most metal detectors, but I am not an expert. The one time I tried to find some buried galvanized metal pipes on my property was a bust (probably due to a low quality metal detector), and they were only a foot down.

So I am assuming that the pipeline is a high pressure gas line, in which case it might be at least 3-5' down, and I am assuming that it is a metal pipeline (due to the pressure).

I am not sure that 811 would help much. They might roughly say from here to here is a no dig zone, and mark a 60' span at more or less the right place.

Good luck!

All the best,

Peter

 

[Rockbadchild]

it’s impressive how the old timer where at it

 

[johnnyvol]

How much elevation change are you talking about? If you're cutting the trees in the orange circle could you then erect a tall pipe at each known pin, say a 20' piece of pvc, and see one from the other?

 

[JDZ735M]

They might mark it for you, they might not.

Dad had paid PGE to extend the gas line 300 ft from the new meter at the property line, to the house. When I wanted to dig and install new water mains here 50 years later, I asked if PGE would mark the gas line for me. Nope. They told me anything beyond the meter was my problem. And they didn't keep any blueprints showing where they put the gas pipe.

I hope you get a better response!

You're right. It's pretty iffy in rural areas what they will do.

 

[John_Mc]

Blueprints should not be necessary, as long as you can get the person doing the in the area of the pipe. In most jurisdictions, non-metallic gas lines are supposed to be buried with a tracer wire. You connect a special transmitter to the wire and use a receiver to detect the signal and locate the wire. When non-metallic lines are connected to metallic ones, the tracer line must be electrically continuous. The fact that it is generally not required for metallic gas lines would seem to be an indication that metallic lines are traceable without such a line. I'm not sure if they would use the same kind of tracing equipment, or just a metal detector.

I'm a bit surprised that PGE wouldn't just refer you to someone who could do the tracing, if they won't do it themselves.

 

[dodge man]

My personal experience is I wouldn’t trust the pipe line marker. Say they have a 50 foot wide easement, they in theory put the pipe line in the middle, so 25 foot each way. Did they put the pipe line dead center in the easement? Is the marker actually over the pipe line? I just wouldn’t trust it.

I am a surveyor and briefly read the post someone put up of going out with 3 or 4 people and putting them on line. To be honest I didn’t understand it, but I’m sure I could figure it out.

Another possibility is to use something tall. I’ve used a 25 foot level rod over a corner to see rough line. Would 3 12 foot long 2x4’s hooked together be high enough? Paint the top one orange. Awkward as all get out to get that up in the air but might work.

 

[Complete Turf Care]

I recently purchased a Trimble Catalyst. Trimble DA1 | Catalyst GNSS Systems | Trimble Geospatial
I was planning to use if for taking elevations for laser grading athletic fields. But, I don't think the elevation accuracy is good enough for what I do.

However, the horizontal accuracy is supposed to be within about 2 centimeters.

I'm still learning how to use it, and I'm not very comfortable with it yet.

It was about a $1000 investment, and there are a couple of subscriptions you have to buy to get the accuracy.

@EddieWalker this is probably not what you need, but I just wanted to throw it out here.

 

[bcp]

Go out on a foggy/misty/dusty night. Vertical laser on far pin. One person in the center with another vertical laser. Observer at near pin to direct center person into alignment with the far pin's laser. Maybe just a powerful flashlight making a visible vertical beam instead of a laser.

Bruce

 

[EddieWalker]

I just looked again on https://findlotsize.com/ to see how far it is between the two pins ( blue circles) and came up with 1,624 feet. Looking at the line, it looks almost exactly where I'm guessing it should go based on the Natural gas Pipeline on my neighbors property.

The distance that I want to go with the fence is 736 feet. This is from the blue circle to the left, to the purple circle.

So I'm trying to find the point along the line, just shy of half way.

There is no way to see through all the trees along the cliff. I do not believe there is a way to run a wire through the trees and pull it straight.

If you looked at the side profile of a spoon, and follow the shape of the bottom of the spoon, you can get an idea of what the ground is like. Except the spoon is bent down, so the tip of the spoon is a fair distance below the handle. The spoon part is in orange, but it goes all the way to the blue circle to the left. The area to the right of the orange circle, to the blue circle to the right is almost flat.

 

[Complete Turf Care]

Is it possible to measure out x feet into to pipeline from the 2 blue circles, then find a straight line between them, then measure back x feet to the purple circle?

 

[EddieWalker]

Yes, I could go 25 feet into my neighbors land and pull the wire there, then measure from the wire to my property line. That might work!!!!

 

[EddieWalker]

How do you wind up barbed wire if you unroll an entire roll, plus another 300 feet or so?

 

[Complete Turf Care]

Yes, I could go 25 feet into my neighbors land and pull the wire there, then measure from the wire to my property line. That might work!!!!

If you need to be more accurate using this idea, pull a 3,4,5 triangle at each of the 2 blue points and another at the purple point.
to do this, you would have to have at least one known straight line to work from.
If you don’t have any known straight lines to work from, the 3,4,5 triangle should still get you to within a foot or so.